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There was just so much to reply to so I really want to boil it down to the unfortunate misunderstanding of quantum mechanics and physics being used here first before I move on to other things in this comment.
Likewise even in discussion of D-branes, they are infinite in extent but can also be whatever size (which I guess you can apply to otherworlds like senkai xd, since you can make them infinite spatially or not.) But the overall point is, they[1] lead[2] to a 4 dimensional manifold, and in the first link it's stated that such manifolds have a curvature of one with Gaussian Normal Coordinates (which is basically a Psuedo-Riemannian manifold) and thus require the space to have a hyperbolic geometry which we know touhou has based on the non-Euclidean[1] geometry[2] scan we all know andhate love [the reasoning it's hyperbolic is because as marisa physically travels she always diverges away from a straight line meaning that the axiom, something that must be true to present the theorem, is described as "lines can be extended infinitely" meaning, gensokyo is physically infinite despite being a closed space because topologically the study of curves must use the postulate that any segment can be increased to an infinite decree (another relevant timestamp) , something the scan directly shows.
This section was my shakier one, but I needed to bring this up: The dream world. I know I know, it was pretty controversial in the last string theory upgrade thread but I must stress how it's nature as an "otherworld" does not let it equate to just 2-C. As we know a dream is primarily something regarded as an entirely separate reality [translation], the additive element for this is that a dream is something where you see dream souls, such things are coherently noted as "images" of a person's dream, now I won't explicitly be saying that images itself implies superiority so let's continue. Whether they're mental series of images similar to a flatland, or simply a "resemblance'' to an object, we know for a fact in touhou they have a physical and objective existence, which allows you to do 'anything' you want. Likewise because of this, the places we know and see in dreams, are not only real, but are subsets of the entire dream world, which by virtue of our cosmological model means it is large to also let multiple 4-D worlds situate inside of it, making it arguably a D-5 brane, which would upgrade our bulk to 6-D as it must act as a hyperspace to the lower dimensions.
Those are my thoughts on the cosmology, but throughout the thread I recognized something I felt a bit nit-picky about:
To start off would have to be the Youkai Mid-Godly, I know it isn't favorable so I'd like to instead give the youkai back their immortality type 8 based on the premise they exist for their conceptual nature, and even in the midst of them 'dying' or being forgotten so long as their initial idea has an existence, they can revive. Likewise in WaHH, reimu states the same thing, so similar to the nature of fairies who can resurrect upon death because they're manifestations of nature, youkai can also revive upon death so long as their "purpose" or "origin" isn't changed, yuuka is a primary example of an equivalent to fairies. To explain it with another adequate piece of evidence:
In ULiL it’s established that everyone explicitly has a myth or legend associated with them. An explicit example being doremy.
“Strange rumors were spreading in the human village.
"A dog with a human face was searching for compost." "There's someone who saw an old woman selling her feet." Those silly rumors spread explosively and terrorized the children. It was a creepy and incomprehensible rumor that was different from the youkai who used to attack humans. Because there is no actual harm, adults will think it's a child's nonsense.
Of course, they are not afraid. Because I knew that these are "urban legends" in the outside world. Urban legends had interesting characteristics. In order to respond to the rumors that change through oral communication, the mysterious phenomena will also change. Reimu and the others learned rumors that matched them and treated strange phenomena like toys.
If you manipulate rumors without fear, you can harm the mysterious phenomena that appear. No, on the contrary, I can even use it on my own. I thought it was necessary for me to manipulate urban legends and not to cause any damage. That was certainly the case. Until that night.”
^http://tasofro.net/touhou145/story.html
[Dream-Bestowing Youkai] Doremy Sweet
"My name is Doremy Sweet. I am the ruler of the world of dreams."
A youkai who rules over the world of dreams. She normally stays cooped up in the dream world, but she's recently been seen in Gensokyo. Just what does this mean, in the end? Her special trait is her ability to pluck "Dream Souls" out of opponents with her attacks. The more she steals, the more powerful her Urban Legend becomes.
Because of that I believe low-godly is alright, but we should add immortality type 8.
These are truly the only things I can talk about confidently at the moment, apologies but to conclude it with a tl;dr:
-Say no to p-branes, but vote for D-branes (makes the individual brane's low 2-C again)
-5-D dream world (treats brane's as subsets of finite quality, thus with Brane cosmology is attributed to a higher spatial dimension)
-6-D bulk (hyperspace for 5-D world)
-Immortality type 8 (youkai have a conceptual inheritance they can revive from)
Cosmology boogaloo
The Actuality behind brane-worlds in Touhou
While it is true brane's as an idea, are made to be objects that classify where exactly dimensions are extended or compactified, this is just simply not the particular model that touhou and saying it is, requires evidence, since it's even noted that the temporal dimension in touhou is connected with the spatial ones as a 1:1 and indivisible manner of framework.In fact, even in the context of brane cosmology, they are not automatically spacetimes, or even 4-D structures at all. For example, our universe is often posited to be a 3-brane (A 3-D brane, obviously), set in parallel to other branes in a higher-dimensional bulk, and with the temporal dimension existing adjacent to that entire space (See, for reference, this paper, which is an introductory article to brane cosmology that focuses on its simplest consistent model. For illustrative purposes, see also this, this)
2. The Falsity behind Worldvolumes
The basis behind world-volumes assumes like I previously said, is a p-brane, in the theoretical model, such brane's are restricted to particular fields of space-time within a given target space, these can also be called manifolds, the problem with this, is it assumes the brane's are finite in extent, and the world-volume itself is not some sort of indication that destroying the separate dimensions are not low 2-C/2-C, it simply means that it's a 'container' of sorts for the given object which we've proven are infinite in size. Oh and, in accordance within the given implications, our cosmology cannot use p-branes because they would not allow for particles to seep into the Large dimensions (bulk).Likewise even in discussion of D-branes, they are infinite in extent but can also be whatever size (which I guess you can apply to otherworlds like senkai xd, since you can make them infinite spatially or not.) But the overall point is, they[1] lead[2] to a 4 dimensional manifold, and in the first link it's stated that such manifolds have a curvature of one with Gaussian Normal Coordinates (which is basically a Psuedo-Riemannian manifold) and thus require the space to have a hyperbolic geometry which we know touhou has based on the non-Euclidean[1] geometry[2] scan we all know and
3. The Additional Tiering behind structures
This section was my shakier one, but I needed to bring this up: The dream world. I know I know, it was pretty controversial in the last string theory upgrade thread but I must stress how it's nature as an "otherworld" does not let it equate to just 2-C. As we know a dream is primarily something regarded as an entirely separate reality [translation], the additive element for this is that a dream is something where you see dream souls, such things are coherently noted as "images" of a person's dream, now I won't explicitly be saying that images itself implies superiority so let's continue. Whether they're mental series of images similar to a flatland, or simply a "resemblance'' to an object, we know for a fact in touhou they have a physical and objective existence, which allows you to do 'anything' you want. Likewise because of this, the places we know and see in dreams, are not only real, but are subsets of the entire dream world, which by virtue of our cosmological model means it is large to also let multiple 4-D worlds situate inside of it, making it arguably a D-5 brane, which would upgrade our bulk to 6-D as it must act as a hyperspace to the lower dimensions.
Those are my thoughts on the cosmology, but throughout the thread I recognized something I felt a bit nit-picky about:
This is NOT how we should treat the interpretation of a verse's cosmology. Simply because it adheres to a proposed multiverse theory and many elements correspond does not suddenly restrict changes or other possible upgrades from it.2-C is bunk because Touhou has a brane cosmology. It literally cannot be 2-C under these circumstances because there is only one big time with a bunch of 3-D universes participating in time.
Other things (insert funny title name)
To start off would have to be the Youkai Mid-Godly, I know it isn't favorable so I'd like to instead give the youkai back their immortality type 8 based on the premise they exist for their conceptual nature, and even in the midst of them 'dying' or being forgotten so long as their initial idea has an existence, they can revive. Likewise in WaHH, reimu states the same thing, so similar to the nature of fairies who can resurrect upon death because they're manifestations of nature, youkai can also revive upon death so long as their "purpose" or "origin" isn't changed, yuuka is a primary example of an equivalent to fairies. To explain it with another adequate piece of evidence:
In ULiL it’s established that everyone explicitly has a myth or legend associated with them. An explicit example being doremy.
“Strange rumors were spreading in the human village.
"A dog with a human face was searching for compost." "There's someone who saw an old woman selling her feet." Those silly rumors spread explosively and terrorized the children. It was a creepy and incomprehensible rumor that was different from the youkai who used to attack humans. Because there is no actual harm, adults will think it's a child's nonsense.
Of course, they are not afraid. Because I knew that these are "urban legends" in the outside world. Urban legends had interesting characteristics. In order to respond to the rumors that change through oral communication, the mysterious phenomena will also change. Reimu and the others learned rumors that matched them and treated strange phenomena like toys.
If you manipulate rumors without fear, you can harm the mysterious phenomena that appear. No, on the contrary, I can even use it on my own. I thought it was necessary for me to manipulate urban legends and not to cause any damage. That was certainly the case. Until that night.”
^http://tasofro.net/touhou145/story.html
[Dream-Bestowing Youkai] Doremy Sweet
"My name is Doremy Sweet. I am the ruler of the world of dreams."
A youkai who rules over the world of dreams. She normally stays cooped up in the dream world, but she's recently been seen in Gensokyo. Just what does this mean, in the end? Her special trait is her ability to pluck "Dream Souls" out of opponents with her attacks. The more she steals, the more powerful her Urban Legend becomes.
Because of that I believe low-godly is alright, but we should add immortality type 8.
These are truly the only things I can talk about confidently at the moment, apologies but to conclude it with a tl;dr:
-Say no to p-branes, but vote for D-branes (makes the individual brane's low 2-C again)
-5-D dream world (treats brane's as subsets of finite quality, thus with Brane cosmology is attributed to a higher spatial dimension)
-6-D bulk (hyperspace for 5-D world)
-Immortality type 8 (youkai have a conceptual inheritance they can revive from)
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