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Necro Arc has Nasu’s WOG statements in relation to that scaling which is something not meant to been left out here.
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Nasuverse: Word of God Removal Removal (heh)
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Apparently it is the Arc’s moondrop calc is what has been referring to. However, it was the link for it is currently unavailable to say the least.
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Almost all of the information distributed in the profiles are scattered from databooks, interviews, games, Visual and Light Novels. The majority of this information was gathered from certain forums and their respective wiki. All the thanks to the people who work, translate and dedicate their own...vsbattles.fandom.com
Arc's Moondrop, Revised. | Naruto Forums
Published by Kazu in the blog Kazu's blog. Views: 123web.archive.org
The page works for me, granted, the images in the calc don't work.
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Sorry, but I'm slightly confused. What statements are you referring to?
I was talking about how Neco-Arc in Type-Lumina is the same Neco-Arc from og Tsukihime (there's also the original Len, but they haven't done anything with her yet, sadly).
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I just checked her profile and her gender being cat is funny
Normal divine spirits are ????, like normal servants scale to them like you mentioned.
There's a way better scaling method anyway, which should put them far above servants
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Neco-Arc is weird, as usual.
To be fair, the statement is not referring to weak Divine Spirits. It was referring to Fate/strange Fake's Ishtar after she regained a large portion of her Authority.
There are, and I have seen some of them.
Anyway, is the goal of your thread to reestablish Nasu's Word of God as usuable, or completely remove it entirely?
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“Neko Arc: "Nine lives! It seems that cats have nine lives so we are a little weaker than berserker."
Apparently this is from Melty Blood.
Berserker is referring to Herc presumably at the time so there is that
“Fate/Stay Night Premium Fanbook said:
Q: That's more like, whoah, Arc's tough, heh.
Nasu: (Grinning) 1/2 of Neko “
This sounds like a complete joke WOG though.
Heck, it is not even a actual question.
Still funny though
Apparently this is from Melty Blood.
Berserker is referring to Herc presumably at the time so there is that
“Fate/Stay Night Premium Fanbook said:
Q: That's more like, whoah, Arc's tough, heh.
Nasu: (Grinning) 1/2 of Neko “
This sounds like a complete joke WOG though.
Heck, it is not even a actual question.
Still funny though
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The former
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The former, the og thread left out context, or straight up misintepreted most of the WOG
and its more beneficial in the end
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I'm trying to find which Melty Blood it came from, but it would be referring to Heracles at that time (especially since she mentioned Lives).
It's definitely a joke, and it is really funny.
Here's the full statement, what from I could find.
https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Neco-Arc#cite_note-8
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Ok.
While I think I disagree with some things in the op, I am actually fine with using Nasu's word of god, as long as it doesn't contradict the source material and/or is rendered obselete by later word of god and/or source materials (so basically treat Nasu's word of god like we treat every other piece of word of god on the website).
I know I agreed with the original thread, but I slightly changed my mind after a little while.
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mentioning regular members who voted in the original thread, who havent shown up yet
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What exactly, do you disagree with?
Yep, pretty much the proposal, dont give the works of mushroom eggplant special treatment
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Eh, I'll have to go over the thread again to fully figure out what I agree and disagree with.
That's fine with me.
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Us Blue Names don't really matter for the purposes of getting this thread passed, but I guess it can't hurt.
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it's more of getting possible counterarguments in
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I see,
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Okay, afterwards I switched my vote to agreeing as the original thread didn’t attempt to offer any solutions for “Removal of WOG” given the sufficient implications there
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I agree with Nasu's statements being used insofar as they're consistent with everything else given his reputation of yapping at times (self-admitted), though I don't agree with most of the arguments in the OP in refutation of the original thread (most of them can be reconciled or hand-waved in other ways though)
I think a case-by-case approach would work best
I think a case-by-case approach would work best
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I don’t think “haha funny” jokes made in passing should be used as damning evidence
What do you not agree with? The OP clearly twisted some of these things in ways I could instantly recognize
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Shiki scaling I'm kinda weird on but I won't comment much
the strongest statement from Fate Dojo is just bad, the ones for ORT and Remake Arc I'm not too familiar with but if there's a distinction in the way they're phrased then sure
the KnK-Tsukihime timeline placement is something which I think has just been retconned several times, Nasu already went back on the chatroom statement a few years after it was made (and now changed his mind again with the Remake and the Fate/Tsuki Worlds stuff)
the Kirei vs Ciel thing could mean that he Kirei would have an advantage if he used multiple command spells at once, where the "equal to a dead apostle" statement is for when he used only one to block Kerry's Origin Bullet
the "Shirou can't project Divine Consructs" thing I just don't agree with the cope around, Archer's dialogue in the UBW anime (which is canon) more strongly supports that he could project Excalibur but die doing so, I've seen people argue that Nasu became more lenient with it after Extra gave Nameless Excalibur Image
the Shiki MB statement is fine, it's mainly a comment about how his fights are portrayed
I don't agree with excluding Saber Alter from the "Gil would beat everyone if he tried" statement, since I don't think that really conflicts with the Gil vs Salter one
just because he joked around about it doesn't mean it's not true, and I definitely think there's stuff, especially in the old scaling QnAs, that is pretty problematic (the fact that he considers Soaring Gae Bolg an "average NP" is insane)
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There is a distinction.
Aoko’s age is infact different (23 in KNK, vs 31 in Tsukihime, despite there being a 5 year gap between them at maximum.)
The Fujous are indeed mages in KNK, while just being psychics in tsukihime.
Saber alter isn’t a normal condition of the 5th HGW, she was tampered with by dark sakura mid war.
Nasu explained the definition of average, being an NP that can be purely expressed in numbers (aka no special hax ability, just unga bunga big damage)
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can you give me the place where Aoko's age is stated in KnK?
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Touko says she entered highschool 8 years ago in chap 5 (high school starts at 15 in Japan)
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give me the quote
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Here you go:
「さて、何年前の話だったかな。妹が高校にあがろうとしていた頃だから、かれこれ八年以上前か。人の顔を覚えるのは得意なんだが、思い出すのはどうも苦手だ。無駄な行為だから、カタチよく整理する気にもなれない」
This isn’t really important, so I’ll leave it to you to plug into an MTL
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yeah I already found it
The raws say it was more than eight years ago, which would place Mahoyo's events in KnK more than 7 years before Paradox Spiral. Now let's take a look at other statements regarding the timeline placement.
What's more is we have evidence of Fate/stay night changing in timeline placement as well. Where currently it takes place during 2004, consider the in-game calendar:
As we know, Fate/stay night starts on January 31st. The above scan is from the third day, which is February 2nd.
February 2nd in 2004 is on a Monday, not a Saturday. The year that's actually in-line with FSN's dates is 2002:
What's more, Fate/world guide, a guide published in 2011, places Fate/Zero in 1990 and Fate/stay night in 2000.
Which is in line with Nasu's statement that Fate/stay night takes place shortly after the end of Tsukihime (which takes place in October of 1999)
So it's not even deniable, the timeline placements were constantly shifted around before being (relatively) settled on recently.
| Japanese | Baka-Tsuki tl | ChatGPT tl |
| 「さて、何年前の話だったかな。妹が高校にあがろうとしていた頃だから、かれこれ八年以上前か。人の顔を覚えるのは得意なんだが、思い出すのはどうも苦手だ。無駄な行為だから、カタチよく整理する気にもなれない」 | "I guess it's a few years back now. Around the time when my little sister was entering high school, roughly eight years ago now. Remembering people's faces is my specialty, but for some reason I'm poor at recalling those memories. And I don't feel like tidying it up into a nice shape either since it's a pointless exercise." | "Now then, how many years ago was it? It must have been more than eight years ago, since it was around the time my little sister was about to enter high school. I’m good at remembering faces, but recalling memories has always been a bit of a struggle. It feels like a pointless exercise, so I can never be bothered to organize them neatly." |
The raws say it was more than eight years ago, which would place Mahoyo's events in KnK more than 7 years before Paradox Spiral. Now let's take a look at other statements regarding the timeline placement.
| Comptiq 2004-12 issue - Fate/secret book Q&A: |
| Q: Fate/stay night is a story set in the same world as Kara no Kyoukai and Tsukihime, isn't it? If that's right, then what's the temporal relationship between them? A: It's the same world. And I can't give you exact dates, but basically Fate and Tsukihime are set around the same time, while Kara no Kyoukai is a little bit further in the past. |
| Type-Moon Ace; Volume 2; The Secret of Mahoutsukai no Yoru's Birth (2009) |
| The story takes place in 1989, exactly 20 years ago. Nasu: Actually, the original story took place in 1980, a time of "Check it out Soujuurou! The neighboring town built a convenience store!!" "What's a convenience store?" (laughs). The reason for the change in time was mainly to preserve continuity with other TYPE-MOON games. Thinking of Aoko's age in Melty Blood, if we want to have her age make sense, the story has to take place in 1989. Even so, the Japan from 20 years ago is still a mysterious place for younger gamers, so I think they should have fun playing it. A weak economy due to the economic bubble, very few people with cell phones, no Internet. They can see a lifestyle totally different from today's. I also felt like I went back to 20 years ago while working on it. In one scene, someone suddenly fainted while on the phone, the other one tried to call for an ambulance by hanging up, but since the other person didn't hang up, the line is still connected to the phone of one who fainted... things like this. Surprised? Things like that really happened, like that (laughs). Just like that, even after fixing some parts that made no sense due to being too old, there are still feelings of leaping across time. |
What's more is we have evidence of Fate/stay night changing in timeline placement as well. Where currently it takes place during 2004, consider the in-game calendar:
As we know, Fate/stay night starts on January 31st. The above scan is from the third day, which is February 2nd.
February 2nd in 2004 is on a Monday, not a Saturday. The year that's actually in-line with FSN's dates is 2002:
What's more, Fate/world guide, a guide published in 2011, places Fate/Zero in 1990 and Fate/stay night in 2000.
Which is in line with Nasu's statement that Fate/stay night takes place shortly after the end of Tsukihime (which takes place in October of 1999)
| Fate/complete material III: World material - FAQ with Nasu: Miscellaneous, p.136 |
| Q: About Tsukihime, which has the same background world setting as Fate/stay night, which story happened first chronologically? And how many years apart are they? A: The end of Tsukihime is the beginning of Fate/stay night. |
So it's not even deniable, the timeline placements were constantly shifted around before being (relatively) settled on recently.
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Mahoyos placement was obviously settled on far earlier,as KNK’s dating uses 1989.yeah I already found it
The raws say it was more than eight years ago, which would place Mahoyo's events in KnK more than 7 years before Paradox Spiral. Now let's take a look at other statements regarding the timeline placement.
Comptiq 2004-12 issue - Fate/secret book Q&A: Q: Fate/stay night is a story set in the same world as Kara no Kyoukai and Tsukihime, isn't it? If that's right, then what's the temporal relationship between them?
A: It's the same world. And I can't give you exact dates, but basically Fate and Tsukihime are set around the same time, while Kara no Kyoukai is a little bit further in the past.
Type-Moon Ace; Volume 2; The Secret of Mahoutsukai no Yoru's Birth (2009) The story takes place in 1989, exactly 20 years ago.
Nasu: Actually, the original story took place in 1980, a time of "Check it out Soujuurou! The neighboring town built a convenience store!!" "What's a convenience store?" (laughs). The reason for the change in time was mainly to preserve continuity with other TYPE-MOON games. Thinking of Aoko's age in Melty Blood, if we want to have her age make sense, the story has to take place in 1989. Even so, the Japan from 20 years ago is still a mysterious place for younger gamers, so I think they should have fun playing it. A weak economy due to the economic bubble, very few people with cell phones, no Internet. They can see a lifestyle totally different from today's. I also felt like I went back to 20 years ago while working on it. In one scene, someone suddenly fainted while on the phone, the other one tried to call for an ambulance by hanging up, but since the other person didn't hang up, the line is still connected to the phone of one who fainted... things like this. Surprised? Things like that really happened, like that (laughs). Just like that, even after fixing some parts that made no sense due to being too old, there are still feelings of leaping across time.
What's more is we have evidence of Fate/stay night changing in timeline placement as well. Where currently it takes place during 2004, consider the in-game calendar:
As we know, Fate/stay night starts on January 31st. The above scan is from the third day, which is February 2nd.
February 2nd in 2004 is on a Monday, not a Saturday. The year that's actually in-line with FSN's dates is 2002:
What's more, Fate/world guide, a guide published in 2011, places Fate/Zero in 1990 and Fate/stay night in 2000.
Which is in line with Nasu's statement that Fate/stay night takes place shortly after the end of Tsukihime (which takes place in October of 1999)
Fate/complete material III: World material - FAQ with Nasu: Miscellaneous, p.136 Q: About Tsukihime, which has the same background world setting as Fate/stay night, which story happened first chronologically? And how many years apart are they?
A: The end of Tsukihime is the beginning of Fate/stay night.
So it's not even deniable, the timeline placements were constantly shifted around before being (relatively) settled on recently.
Also, I’m pretty sure the 2004 dating was all the way back in 2005.
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KnK's dating is 1991 since Paradox Spiral takes place in November 1998. Neither KnK or OG Tsukihime were written with VN Mahoyo's placement in mind.
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