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Touhou Discussion Thread 3 ⌈Eternal Fantasy Edition⌋

Well huh...

Not just UT. What about the chinamen novels.

I wouldn't know as I don't visit those threads. But many Touhou upgrade threads are in "bump" purgatory to the point that some don't finish and are forced to be moved to a different thread in hopes of that finishing. Again, even the most minor upgrades will take weeks and months to get evaluated.

I'm not gonna call the staff bias, but I respect the Touhou supporters still pushing. Cause seeing a downgrade thread get six staffs near instantaneously while upgrade threads can barely squeeze three would be demotivating as hell to me. It's also why I recommend everyone here to follow the strategy people have decided upon. You'll be lucky if a staff pops up to add "fire manipulation" for Mokou as an example, nevermind arguing for stuff like immeasurable speed and what not.
 
I’m aware that Touhou downgrades have historically received more quicker reception, and while I don’t have an issue with downgrades on principle, there’s a pattern here that’s discouraging. Many of these downgrades arrive with an exhaustive “50 reasons” approach. Certain people have framed previous debates to appear like major inconsistencies, when they’re often rehashing topics that have already been repeatedly debunked or rejected entirely.

Thorough review is not the issue—it’s often the level of scrutiny applied. The sheer volume of these proposals, combined with the speed of acceptance and minimal discussion, feels dismissive, especially when the contributors defending the verse have invested significant time and effort. It’s disheartening when those who ultimately decide these outcomes don’t appear to give arguments the balanced consideration they deserve.

This is a series that spans over 25 years, with 19+ main games, countless spin-offs, interviews, official manga, spontaneous WoG statements from ZUN, and an extensive global fanbase. Indexing this takes days, even weeks, of dedicated review. And within each year, there's often a chance of new content rearing it's head and causing entire pages to need to be re-written. Did you know that Gensokyo is a Non-euclidean space? How about Hell being infinite in size? Well, ZUN didn't tell us this in 2016. And a lot of pages are in a predicament of "we didn't know at the time", rather than "we overlooked this."

Going on tangent here for the sake of speaking truthfully; I do feel like association with this verse is treated like a pejorative label here. In fact, it’s become so skewed that even being associated with the verse can be treated with outright disdain. I've even been called a “Fuji sock” behind the scenes just for speaking up and arguing for certain feats. What's worse is when there's a meritocratic element of former staff members wielding their connections to current staff members to speak in favor of them, at their beck and call, when any 2hu CRT wouldn't receive attention otherwise. It does feel like nepotism to a degree, coupled with the already preexisting politics that you have to bear. But such is the way of debating online, I guess?
 
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Anyways, enough of that.

Go read Foul Detective Satori! It's an ongoing official Touhou manga with some really raw art panels. I'd recommend it to anyone who wants to scratch that manga reading itch.

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Anyways, enough of that.

Go read Foul Detective Satori! It's an ongoing official Touhou manga with some really raw art panels. I'd recommend it to anyone who wants to scratch that manga reading itch.

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Considering I'm going through the Touhou stuff I can myself I'll be doing this eventually, but this is about one of the closest official panels regarding 'lore accurate (joke)' Touhou
 
But many Touhou upgrade threads are in "bump" purgatory to the point that some don't finish and are forced to be moved to a different thread in hopes of that finishing. Again, even the most minor upgrades will take weeks and months to get evaluated.
Touhou🤝EarthBound

I know @Quibster is aware of that as I saw her being a supporter too.
 
touhou is anime
 
Yeah these last few chapters have been crazy.
  • Reinforced scaling for Flandre via holding her own against both Byakuren and Shou
  • More AP scans for Okuu who was able to tag and wound Reimu
  • At least a couple of new Radiation Resistance feats for Reimu
  • Durability scans for Reimu who could tank a head-on blast of one of Okuu's Suns
  • Possible layered possession for Mizuchi
  • Possible key for Mizuchi via possessing Okuu
  • Loads of new Sun Creation feats for Okuu
  • New Yukari Forcefield creation feat
  • New Sealing negation feats for both Yuugi and Suika.
 
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Yeah these last few chapters have been crazy.
  • Reinforced scaling for Flandre via holding her own against both Byakuren and Shou
  • More AP scans for Okuu who was able to tag and wound Reimu
  • At least a couple of new Radiation Resistance feats for Reimu
  • Durability scans for Reimu who could tank a head-on blast of one of Okuu's Suns
  • Possible layered possession for Mizuchi
  • Possible key for Mizuchi via possessing Okuu
  • Loads of new Sun Creation feats for Okuu
  • New Yukari Forcefield creation feat
  • New Suika Sealing negation feat
Are there new anti feats?
 
Fine, I don't want people i know outside of this wiki to have another argument for scaling touhou to human/wall level based on "anti feats" lol
I didn't even know Cookie Run was Tier 1 until a few days ago. Shit is wild, but also it goes into a lot of detail whereas on the surface I would go "wait these are cookies??"

People need to be more open-minded.
 
Fine, I don't want people i know outside of this wiki to have another argument for scaling touhou to human/wall level based on "anti feats" lol
I have seen them too, but a lot of their supposed antifeats are just "Reimu got punched into a wall by Okuu, she's clearly wall level!" Without understanding that Okuu is pretty strong and doesn't need to nuke stars, multiverses, planets, everything with every attack...

Like, I've seen them say "If they're outerversal, why did their attacks not destroy anything more than a wall?" Unironically without understanding how AP works

Though you could probably read that manga and find good antifeats...
 
I have seen them too, but a lot of their supposed antifeats are just "Reimu got punched into a wall by Okuu, she's clearly wall level!" Without understanding that Okuu is pretty strong and doesn't need to nuke stars, multiverses, planets, everything with every attack...

Like, I've seen them say "If they're outerversal, why did their attacks not destroy anything more than a wall?" Unironically without understanding how AP works

Though you could probably read that manga and find good antifeats...
I've seen worse things, like people saying that Reimu is human level because she's just a human and that without the spell card rules she would be easily defeated by almost any Youkai, seriously lol
 
I've seen worse things, like people saying that Reimu is human level because she's just a human and that without the spell card rules she would be easily defeated by almost any Youkai, seriously lol
I've seen below average human level fairies and magicians because they're physically weaker than humans, despite their many wall level and higher feats
 
I've seen below average human level fairies and magicians because they're physically weaker than humans, despite their many wall level and higher feats
Well if we are going to use that kind of logic to scale Touhou in this wiki then.....

All Touhou characters, not counting the male ones, are below human level to athlete level at most because they are just girls without muscles
 
Well if we are going to use that kind of logic to scale Touhou in this wiki then.....

All Touhou characters, not counting the male ones, are below human level to athlete level at most because they are just girls without muscles
Nah, in Gensokyo, girls are the breadwinners. Men stay at home and cook while women do all the cool stuff. Rinnosuke is a housewife.

Video related
 
Also, what's the deal with that Logic manipulation thread? What's the deal with Logic manipulation giving you Tier 1? I remember someone talking about how it would make Mao Gakuin Tier 1 (Fodder stops being fodder with a cop out) but I didn't really understood the logic behind logic manipulation scaling that high.
 
Also, what's the deal with that Logic manipulation thread?
It’s created a bit of a buzz. At a glance and behind the scenes it looks like most of the staff don’t want it implemented. One of the few reasons being that there's only one (1) example user in the draft page. The idea for the ability was also addressed here previously. Looks like a follow-up, I guess.

What's the deal with Logic manipulation giving you Tier 1?
To my understanding, they're saying that logic manipulation can grant Tier 1 because it involves manipulating the fundamental rules that govern all possible worlds or realities. The idea is that altering logic affects the very structure that underlies the existence of everything, including all possible worlds, thus Tier 1.
 
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I see, I didn't know his logic manipulation was removed. It seems weird since his abilities are stated to interact with logic in some way or another.

I am now kinda interested to see how the tier 1 logic manipulation thread will go. I can't say I agree with it since it sounds just like other abilities that warp the fabric of reality or fundamental parts of it. But I guess it won't affect powerscaling here that much. I mean, people bitched about the 1-A thread causing an influx of everything being Outerversal but so far the ratings have been understandable. Except cookie run, I am unsure how their tier 1-A works but seriously, every character in their series being outer? Literally everyone?
 
I don't like the idea of logic manipulation granting tier 1 for the reasons Quibster said. It's like saying that reality warping makes you hight 1-A because it allows you to "manipulate all of reality" or that invulnerability gives you
boundless durability since it makes you "invulnerable"
 
I haven't seen anything quite like this before. An actress on tiktok did bad apple in real life with costumes and props.



Pretty interesting, pretty interesting
 
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