Tiering for High Outerversal and tier 0s (1 per verse)

[Bobsican]

As when this sort of matches are done mainly based on how much they trascend outerversal stuff, I think this would be useful, even if it obviously wouldn´t be taken as official. Only one per verse, so this isn´t just full of Umineko and Cthulhu Mythos.

6: Surely a true "baseline" tier 0

5: Golden Grandpa

4: Someone writing

3: A girl that can do anything except know everything

2: A door

1: The big spaggetti monster

Note: As it seems Azzy trascends a bunch of outerversal hierarchies as seen in the discussion I´ve had in the 1-A tiering thread, I edited Azzy to be numbah 1, as much as I dislike it.

 

[Wokistan]

No, high 1-A and 0 don't work that way. I and some others have typed up explanations of this on another thread before, let me try to find it.

 

[Wokistan]

At this point it is more about the number of limitations you have.

 

[Bobsican]

While true, I´ve noticed that this is mainly what´s used when debating matches with High-1-As or 0s, so I think that having it around would be neat.

 

[PsychoWarper]

You cant tier tier 0s as there power is totally infinite.

 

[Wokistan]

You just aren't allowed to make those matches, as stated by psycho.

 

[Wokistan]

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2003646

ITT it is explained why omnipotence, and thus, high 1-A/0 are ill suited to conventional notions of tiering or comparison.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

You can't really do matches with tier 0s. They have no way to harm or kill each other as they completely transcend such concepts.

 

[PsychoWarper]

Honestly tier 0s are just kinda there, i mean its impossible to use them in fights and really they just make a verse impossible to solo.

 

[Agnaa]

Why do I feel like you specifically Bob have already made like 5 of these same threads already?

 

[Bobsican]

For this reason, Agnaa, I´m making this, to end all variables of tier 0s matches.

All tier 0s are then again "questionably omnipotent", which are just at the top of a hierarchy at least trascending some 1-A.

Can´t we just measure the amount of these trascendental layers like when we compare a 1-A to a High 1-A?

 

[PsychoWarper]

No as even questionable omnipotence is totally infinite, no tier 0 is stronger than another, if they all fought it would be an endless stalemate.

 

[Bobsican]

NLF, enought said.

 

[PsychoWarper]

NLF doesn't really apply to tier 0s

 

[Ultima_Reality]

This actually against what Tier 0 is

Honestly. Pretty sure nobody but you wants to do battles between such characters


EDIT: >Fun and Games

Ifeeldumb

 

[PsychoWarper]

Wait this is F&G... oops didnt notice that.

 

[Agnaa]

Like we said in other threads, layers of transcendence get so vague at these tiers that it's either impossible to compare them, or you need an obscenely in-depth knowledge of every series involved.

Aren't there groups of people who are already experts working with these verses with tier 0's right now trying to better understand the cosmology of those verses?

 

[Bobsican]

Like we said in other threads, layers of transcendence get so vague at these tiers that it's either impossible to compare them, or you need an obscenely in-depth knowledge of every series involved.

Huh, so it´s simply too obscure to at best get a result that likely is close to inconclusive.

 

[PsychoWarper]

Yes

 

[Bobsican]

Why I have a feeling that there´s actually an user around that loves all franchises with a tier 0?

 

[Agnaa]

Probably some that love all of them, but to have intimate knowledge in the cosmologies of all franchises involved, to the point of being able to accurately compare them, is something that no-one has accomplished yet.

 

[Bobsican]

The purpose of this was to just compile the transcendental cosmologies of each character that´s a tier 0 here, by each of those users that have deep knowledge in these cosmologies of the respective series.

 

[Wokistan]

If you mean whos verse is the strongest outside of high 1-A and 0, it would be the Cthulhu mythos by virtue of Shub Niggurath transcending the most things. You shouldn't be looking at this sort of stuff just for power though.

 

[Bobsican]

Basically like a top 10 of them.

 

[Wokistan]

There aren't 10 tier 0s on the site.

 

[Bobsican]

Well, some High 1-As could fill those spots.

 

[Wokistan]

Even trying to make a list like this is completely antithetical to the idea of tier 0. You're basically comparing the rest of the verse sans high 1-A and 0. In the thread I linked I explained some of the issues with the idea of omnipotence and why we don't consider those matches.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

What if I said all your ideas of tier 0 are wrong?


https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2001522

 

[Bobsican]

So it seems I was quite close to the truth

 

[Darkmon_cns]

Yes but you really shouldn't have replied. That thread was on Matthew's wall it's a question I asked about tier 0 not too long ago if you had a question you should have made a new one. Sorry I really should have said that in with the link instead of a matrix reference.

 

[Bobsican]

Bump.

 

[Bobsican]

Bump.

 

[Torlikoff]

No

 

[Warren_Valion]

They're Tier 0.

 

[PsychoWarper]

Remember this is F&G(made the same mistake).

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Kami Tenchi < The One Above All < The Writer < Divine Presence < The Creator < Azathoth < Composite Tree

 

[Bobsican]

I was going to take this seriously until I saw composite tree.

 

[Anonimaço]

Kami Tenchi < The One Above All < The Writer < Divine Presence < The Creator < Azathoth < Composite Tree

Uganda Knuckles God>>>>>Composite Tree>>>>Azathot>>>>The Creator>>>>Divine Presence>>>> The Writer>>>> The One Above All>>>> Kami Tenchi

 

[Jared1111]

Jack Kirby vs. Grant Morrison, who would win in a fist fight.

Well, seeing how Jack Kirby was in the army and went through basic training, and often was put into reconnaissance missions in enemy towns and bases, plus was a tough old bastard, Grant Morrison, however, doesn't have any combat experience or martial arts training (as far as i know). So i'd say at their peak Jack Kirby would probably have kicked Morrison's ass.

So The One Above All > The Writer.

 

[Bobsican]

Remember this is F&G(made the same mistake).

Well, tier 0 is going to be removed soon along with onmipotence, so that doesn´t matter.