The In Multiverse Monitor Brothers Revision and other stuffs

[MichaelJZero]

Did they mention the Presence, Lucifer, Michael, etcetera, or were they just referring to Darkseid, Highfather, Zeus, and the like?

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He says all the Gods in this. And Scott Synder says he specifically wrote his JLA series to explore what is beyond The Source Wall and The Presence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1zfNKTRGkY&t=467s (starts around 7:45)

 

[Antvasima]

Well, we need official statements from DC Comics editorial department before we can say that Perpetua > The Presence with certainty.

 

[MichaelJZero]

Well, we need official statements from DC Comics editorial department before we can say that Perpetua > The Presence with certainty.

Well, first if you get a spare 15m please read my thread where I cover all this in detail, too much information here to copy and paste: https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/final-crisis-explained-2045835/

Perpetua and COIE Monitors are not related to Morrison Nil Monitors in the slightest. Not even remotely. This statement in Final Crisis editorial notes section is about Nil Monitors as seen in Final Crisis, not the COIE Monitors and Perpetua. Synder is on video record saying his Monitor stories are > The Presence and Source Wall. So that is an official record as it can get, direct from the author and writer.

But, DC Comics agrees that all of DC post Convergence is now adhering to Morrison Cosmology. Specifically Final Crisis and Multiversity hierarchy: https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/u...1/7182667-jeff-king-convergence-reveals-4.jpg

And since that is holding true, that means the Dark Dimension Gods are Intellectron and Gentry and not The Forger and COIE Monitors, by Grants own statements: https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11115/111152821/7182670-1.jpg

If you watch the Synder video, he cites that his entire new canon (Dark Knight Metal, The Unexpected and the new JLA series) are all re-writes of the Creation Myth. He intentionally has written them, as he has said on video, to be a new version. This is a new Hypertime lane contained by Morrison Cosmology Hypertime. Snyder's new Multiverse is just that, a new and alternate Multiverse where Morrison and his editors have said their cosmology holds infinite Multiverses.

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Anyway, the original link I posted covered all of this and more in vivid detail. Nil Monitors > Everyone in DC and Vertigo. And according to Synder, his COIE Monitors are > The Presence and he said it directly on video. As readers, we cannot possibly ask for more evidence. We have it in abundance now.

 

[Antvasima]

No, we just have an unofficial video statement from a single writer, that was far too ambiguous and casual to remotely be taken as concrete evidence. Sorry, but I am never going to accept such a revision based on this alone.

 

[Antvasima]

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[Elizio33]

I prety agree with Antvasima here. I remember a statement saying the white space of the beyonders is beyond toaa or something like that i don't remember exactly. If we gonna accept that nil monitor > the presence then we should accept this too and many other statements like mjolnir > odin because authors and others said so.

Personally, i always saw nil, monitors, mandrakk, thought robot being beyond stories as a fancier way to describe them as beyond the multiverse rather than being beyond dc story and other meta stuffs.

However, i could be wrong and i'm open to your opinions.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Is there anything left to do here, or should I close this thread?

Anyway...

 

[Elizio33]

Yeah you can close this thread. I don't see Mandrakk and Monitors of Nil being above the Presence and the Endless this is nonesense.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes. Agreed.