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The In Multiverse Monitor Brothers Revision and other stuffs
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Oliver_de_jesus
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well we review the times that the brothers were damaged:
mobius: supergirls was a clear outlier this since the AM varied the floor with Sups
after mobius eliminated the multiverse by changing history, it is seen that they needed to extract energy to damage it, they even needed external help to defeat him "killing him" until a few seconds later he regenerated into a fireball
In the war of disasters the guardians of the universe declare that the Anti Monitor did not have the same level as in the Coie (it is probably due to the fact that in the infinite crisis their remaining energy was used to bring infinite universes back) practically most heroes were face him after superboy went out to fight against sodam yat ion and mobius practically resisted everything they threw and a galactic bomb
Darkaseid needed an application to face him and the heroes when they faced him had already lost the ALE that was directly fucted with him so it is feasible to say that lost power even needed to be an application applied by the ALE to "kill him"
He was currently damaged by John with the flash car and separated from his brothers but this is clearly an outlier or we can simply say that he was running out of energy as his brother said.
The monitor:
He was literally never harmed to his full, the reason he died in the coie was because mobius weakened him to the point that Harbinger powered by mobius he let himself be killed and did not even resist, his reatant energy fortified the remaining universes.
alpheus:
literally nobody hurt him in his event except superman empowered and a barbatos in an unknown way.
For me I think it's okay, level 2A probably low 1-C
that thinks of the rest that I have proposed and for the immeasurable speed good the wave of anti matter destroyed the infinite multiverse in a finite time and was not instantaneous hitting every point in time is also the fact that mar novu launched rays of energy that could spread throughout the multiverse.
mobius: supergirls was a clear outlier this since the AM varied the floor with Sups
after mobius eliminated the multiverse by changing history, it is seen that they needed to extract energy to damage it, they even needed external help to defeat him "killing him" until a few seconds later he regenerated into a fireball
In the war of disasters the guardians of the universe declare that the Anti Monitor did not have the same level as in the Coie (it is probably due to the fact that in the infinite crisis their remaining energy was used to bring infinite universes back) practically most heroes were face him after superboy went out to fight against sodam yat ion and mobius practically resisted everything they threw and a galactic bomb
Darkaseid needed an application to face him and the heroes when they faced him had already lost the ALE that was directly fucted with him so it is feasible to say that lost power even needed to be an application applied by the ALE to "kill him"
He was currently damaged by John with the flash car and separated from his brothers but this is clearly an outlier or we can simply say that he was running out of energy as his brother said.
The monitor:
He was literally never harmed to his full, the reason he died in the coie was because mobius weakened him to the point that Harbinger powered by mobius he let himself be killed and did not even resist, his reatant energy fortified the remaining universes.
alpheus:
literally nobody hurt him in his event except superman empowered and a barbatos in an unknown way.
For me I think it's okay, level 2A probably low 1-C
that thinks of the rest that I have proposed and for the immeasurable speed good the wave of anti matter destroyed the infinite multiverse in a finite time and was not instantaneous hitting every point in time is also the fact that mar novu launched rays of energy that could spread throughout the multiverse.
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@Oliver de jesus At least 2-A, possibly Low 1-C should be fine for the brothers. Barbatos should maybe stay the same since we don't know how he managed to kill the forger and also due to the fact Alpheus was shown to be superior to him in JL #22.
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yes and other things about the new key for mobius? it's basically the ultra monitor but he has control, the state is not permanent and leaves the brothers tired when they separate.
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I think the Ultra-Monitor should have a key despite his limited appearance since he contain the energies of the positive, dark and antimatter realities and was going to be fuelled by the energy of Hawkgirl's wings which is tied to the raptor who seal Perpetua the first time to imprison her again. the Mobius new key is possibly fine but i'm not sure.
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Have you read the latest JL issue?
What do you refer to specifically?
in JL # 37 the league gained the power of the 7 positive forces thanks to the 2 totalities and they will fight lex amplified by several dark forces.
What do you refer to specifically?
in JL # 37 the league gained the power of the 7 positive forces thanks to the 2 totalities and they will fight lex amplified by several dark forces.
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@Ant we are not climbing to superman base at low 1-c
It is only its application with the suns.
@Elizio33 you can apply everything I'm proposing to the Op?
It is only its application with the suns.
@Elizio33 you can apply everything I'm proposing to the Op?
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Well I made a summary of everything that needs to be added here we can discuss Superman later and apply this.
Use the Anti Monitor Ap because you have more feats and you would not do the same with your brothers.
Use the Anti Monitor Ap because you have more feats and you would not do the same with your brothers.
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I still think that Alpheus the World Forger created the higher order multiversal structures from his 1-A 6th Dimension position, and that Superman affecting him in the 6th dimension should be counted as the kind of Plot-Induced Stupidity that is typical for superhero comicbook stories.
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We see Alpheus hammering universes into existence in a much weaker form tho.
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Okay then, i guess 2-A is fine we just have to remove the "created the hypertime" on his 2-A Attack Potency and add it on his 1-A instead. So, the weakness has been accepted and what about the abilities, the justifications for his 1-A Attack Potency i suggested and the stuffs suggested by Oliver de jesus?
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Add for the World Forger
Add a second supporting evidence for the brothers true selves. "Exist in the Sixth Dimension, a timeless realm beyond imagination and is at the top of everything even the Source Wall"
If possible add for Alpheus true self Attack Potency. Created a future version of the current multiverse with its own version of the Hypertime"
Stuff suggested by Olivier de jesus
- A justification for Conceptual Manipulation: The universe he create countain entities like nekron and the life entity and possibly the others emotional entity and the new gods.
- Portal Creation: Can create portals
- Precognition: Can see every future possiblities.
- Empathic Manipulation: Can read feelings of others.
Add a second supporting evidence for the brothers true selves. "Exist in the Sixth Dimension, a timeless realm beyond imagination and is at the top of everything even the Source Wall"
If possible add for Alpheus true self Attack Potency. Created a future version of the current multiverse with its own version of the Hypertime"
Stuff suggested by Olivier de jesus
- Immeasurable speed for mobius, the wave of anti matter destroyed the infinite multiverse in a finite time and was not instantaneous hitting every point in time is also the fact that Mar Novu launched rays of energy that could spread throughout the multiverse.
- Use the argument that the specter had the energy of thunderbolt that is an imp of the 5 dimension also as we take the manipulation of history as causality hax, mobius should also have it as it would change the history of the multiverse and mobius should also have resistance negation since it bothered the specter that it is invulnerable to attacks based on matter hax
- Vibration Manipulation for mobius
- Regenerationn (Mid High) for mobius
- Extrasensory Perception for mobius
- Deconstruction for mobius
- Higher-Dimensional Existence for alpheus
- Resistance to Antimatter Manipulation for all brothers
- Conceptual Manipulation for mobius
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Your own suggestions seems fine.
I do not know about most of Oliver's suggestions, but Mobius never moved at anywhere near immeasurable speed in combat, and we cannot scale it from his attack potency, the Thunderbolt was not established as a 5D imp back then, and I am uncertain if he is treated as higher-dimensional.
I do not know about most of Oliver's suggestions, but Mobius never moved at anywhere near immeasurable speed in combat, and we cannot scale it from his attack potency, the Thunderbolt was not established as a 5D imp back then, and I am uncertain if he is treated as higher-dimensional.
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I do not say that it is in all the speed fields but in attackOliver de jesus said:
I put scan for almost all my points
Oliver_de_jesus
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well now that I remember perpetua I didn't have the control of the hypertime in your hands? although this can also mean whatever
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>"extrasensory perception: mobius detects flash and feel the vital energy of hank girls"
In the first he detects a disturbance. The power is good.
>"According to superman portrays the universe of anti matter with a system of different laws of physics and as mobius contains the energy of his kingdom that would mean that he resists manipulation of physics / we put it as a possible acasuality type 4 this is because the cause and effect is only one branch of physics"
Containing the energy of his universe=/=going by the same laws.
>"vibration manipulation Here here and here"
Yes.
>"Regenerationn: high-mid, prime destroy body and armor Regender a large part of his body but it regenerates nekron was using it as a battery rebuilt his armor on the darkest night. Supergirl destroys the mobius armor but regenerates after a while"
I rejected this before for being disorganized, now this is literally the same.
>"conceptual manipulation: the spectre feels like the concepts are destroyed by the anti monitor"
>"flight: here"
Yes.
>"deconstruction was going to dust hawkgirl and her son"
Yes.
>"Resistance to antimatter:john, declare that the brothers can avoid anti-matter and this scales to mobius as such"
Yes, "and this scales to mobius as such" should not be in the title of that thing tho.
>"the brothers feel like perpetual launches a planet at MFTL + speed throughout the multiverse"
Yes, Enhanced Senses.
>"Limint Fusionism: merged into the ultra monitor this is also"
Yes.
In the first he detects a disturbance. The power is good.
>"According to superman portrays the universe of anti matter with a system of different laws of physics and as mobius contains the energy of his kingdom that would mean that he resists manipulation of physics / we put it as a possible acasuality type 4 this is because the cause and effect is only one branch of physics"
Containing the energy of his universe=/=going by the same laws.
>"vibration manipulation Here here and here"
Yes.
>"Regenerationn: high-mid, prime destroy body and armor Regender a large part of his body but it regenerates nekron was using it as a battery rebuilt his armor on the darkest night. Supergirl destroys the mobius armor but regenerates after a while"
I rejected this before for being disorganized, now this is literally the same.
>"conceptual manipulation: the spectre feels like the concepts are destroyed by the anti monitor"
>"flight: here"
Yes.
>"deconstruction was going to dust hawkgirl and her son"
Yes.
>"Resistance to antimatter:john, declare that the brothers can avoid anti-matter and this scales to mobius as such"
Yes, "and this scales to mobius as such" should not be in the title of that thing tho.
>"the brothers feel like perpetual launches a planet at MFTL + speed throughout the multiverse"
Yes, Enhanced Senses.
>"Limint Fusionism: merged into the ultra monitor this is also"
Yes.
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I don't think he was actually hurt, it's basically the same situation where Veidt briefly destroyed his body with the tachyon machine or whatever it was called.Hellbeast1 said:
Oliver_de_jesus
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sorry for the title of resistance to anti matter can be changed? or just copies and create a new post with that feats
good that if we change it by manipulation of the physics but there is also the fact that the remaining energy of the anti monitor is considered as an anomaly in time
something funny apparently DC is infinite x infinity times above the 2A baseline
good that if we change it by manipulation of the physics but there is also the fact that the remaining energy of the anti monitor is considered as an anomaly in time
something funny apparently DC is infinite x infinity times above the 2A baseline
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well can we add this and the new mobius key?
@efi
what do you think of the low 1-C?
@efi
what do you think of the low 1-C?
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BumpOliver de jesus said:
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https://youtu.be/th8RnPgu32c?t=32
Sigh. Not how I imagined the first live action depiction of Anti-Monitor would look like but we take what we can get.
Sigh. Not how I imagined the first live action depiction of Anti-Monitor would look like but we take what we can get.
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The Anti-Monitor isn't exactly handsome in the comics either but the CW version looks like the Night King wearing Apocalypse's armor from the X-Men films.
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Bump well, I think we can use this to better justify the mobius ap:
Metron remarks that Anti Monitor has devoured entire universes countless times and if he tried to start another COIE like event, reality wouldn't survive. Metron also states that Anti Monitor had begun to devour reality causing the multiverse to start cracking up and causing a convergence of timelines and other universes. Anti Monitor's astral brain was going to be used in order to destory the Dark Multiverse. A multiverse so BIG, it's basically like a ocean which the tiny DC Multiverse floats on, making it well above the DC Multiverse, Sandman describes the dark multiverse as infinite..Was effecting spiritual realms, psychic planes and everything in existence during Crisis on Infinite Earths maybe even heaven and hell (the one that is said to be a multiverse)?
apparently the dark multiverse is the world of dreams according to Scott I don't know if we can scale this up with as established by the sandman universe where each dream creates a universe to solidify the evidence of the World Forge ap and its brothers
Metron remarks that Anti Monitor has devoured entire universes countless times and if he tried to start another COIE like event, reality wouldn't survive. Metron also states that Anti Monitor had begun to devour reality causing the multiverse to start cracking up and causing a convergence of timelines and other universes. Anti Monitor's astral brain was going to be used in order to destory the Dark Multiverse. A multiverse so BIG, it's basically like a ocean which the tiny DC Multiverse floats on, making it well above the DC Multiverse, Sandman describes the dark multiverse as infinite..Was effecting spiritual realms, psychic planes and everything in existence during Crisis on Infinite Earths maybe even heaven and hell (the one that is said to be a multiverse)?
apparently the dark multiverse is the world of dreams according to Scott I don't know if we can scale this up with as established by the sandman universe where each dream creates a universe to solidify the evidence of the World Forge ap and its brothers
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Well, i guess we can add all the accepted stuff. Can i add the stuff?
Now i would like to talk about Perpetua's weaker form who should be Low 1-C. Why? Because she has Hypertime within her grasps and her technology can stabilize Hypertime, the brothers had to merge together to form the Ultra-Monitor, who contain the energies of the three matter kingdoms of creation, to fight her.
She dwarf Brainiac One Million who had infinite futures of death on his fingertips which he plucked from Hypertime and threatened to destroy them all.
For the anti-feat of Perpetua when she had to recharge her energies to destroy another universe, we can consider this as PIS/Outlier or bad Stamina.
Now i would like to talk about Perpetua's weaker form who should be Low 1-C. Why? Because she has Hypertime within her grasps and her technology can stabilize Hypertime, the brothers had to merge together to form the Ultra-Monitor, who contain the energies of the three matter kingdoms of creation, to fight her.
She dwarf Brainiac One Million who had infinite futures of death on his fingertips which he plucked from Hypertime and threatened to destroy them all.
For the anti-feat of Perpetua when she had to recharge her energies to destroy another universe, we can consider this as PIS/Outlier or bad Stamina.
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Well, when the brothers merged, they indirectly declared that they didn't know how to use their powers for things like destroy or fight, so they could dominate the end.
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