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most of them are splitAlso I thought the cosmology were split cause of inconsistencies, why are they merged?
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most of them are splitAlso I thought the cosmology were split cause of inconsistencies, why are they merged?
Morrison and Snyder were merged based on Ultima's suggestion.Also I thought the cosmology were split cause of inconsistencies, why are they merged?
You didn’t raise a counter example though. As I said you raised a counter question about my beliefs on the Monitor Sphere in attempt to undermine and divert the topic away from my statement about the Silver City, which is whataboutism.By repeatedly claiming that a counter example to poor logic is "whataboutism" despite the fact that demonstrating a counter example is precisely how one demonstrates that an argument is invalid. You cannot escape the counter example by repeating yourself.
Sometimes it can, however that’s not always the case as evidence given can sometimes not support the conclusion, like in your case where each description didn’t combine to support your conclusion for a hierarchy of qualitative superiority.So you claim, but in reality each piece of evidence combines in aggregate to make a compelling argument. The fact that any single piece of information can't by itself prove superiority isn't really problematic at all. No one is saying that in the first place.
Many = Robo, but sure I’ll wait for the staff.Well clearly many people disagree, so we'll see what the mods say
not just me and deagon but okMany = You and Robo, but sure I’ll wait for the staff.
....which provided a counter example. So this whole neverending spiel was the fact that it was phrased as a rhetorical question rather than a direct statement? What a fantastic waste of text.You didn’t raise a counter example though. As I said you raised a counter question
That's your opinion, but sure.like in your case where each description didn’t combine to support your conclusion for a hierarchy of qualitative superiority
I'm not even the one that wrote it.Many = You and Robo, but sure I’ll wait for the staff.
Okay, last when i was in that thread i thought it was rejected.Morrison and Snyder were merged based on Ultima's suggestion.
No, because even if you worded it as a direct statement it would still be whataboutism. As you’d still be avoiding addressing the issues with the Silver City by changing the subject to my beliefs on the Monitor Sphere.....which provided a counter example. So this whole neverending spiel was the fact that it was phrased as a rhetorical question rather than a direct statement? What a fantastic waste of text.
If that’s what you want to believe go ahead.That's your opinion, but sure.
Yes, that's how counter examples work. By referring to different things and showing how the logic fails.No, because even if you worded it as a direct statement it would still be whataboutism. As you’d still be avoiding addressing the issues with the Silver City by changing the subject to my beliefs on the Monitor Sphere.
Yes, that's how opinions work.If that’s what you want to believe go ahead.
No, Ultimas argument for merging them was accepted.Okay, last when i was in that thread i thought it was rejected.
what. where are you getting 1-B from?I agree with xearsey.
Nothing here is even close to 1-A.
Seeing something as infinitly small is just one layer into 1-B in this case.
Sorry, Multiverse is 1-C, right? That would make infinitely higher realm 1-B or maybe just High 1-C.what. where are you getting 1-B from?
Okay.No, Ultimas argument for merging them was accepted.
my brother....what are you talking aboutSorry, Multiverse is 1-C, right? That would make infinitely higher realm 1-B or maybe just High 1-C.
I am talking about the void being 1-A has no justification being that high.my brother....what are you talking about
Heaven viewing a 2-A structure as infinitely small is Low 1-C in VERTIGO
i think you're talking about something else here, grants cosmology??
ThisIt says you don’t need an infinitely layered/dimensioned hierarchy. That doesn’t mean no dimensioned or layered hierarchy.
Which isn’t 1-A. Any amount of 2-A structures being able to inserted into the Void, and still amounting to 0 is low 1-C, not 1-A. And even if Heaven was low 1-C(which it isn’t) any amount of low 1-C structures being able to be inserted into the Void, and still amounting to 0 would be just another level of infinity up, not 1-A.
It is a big difference. You said creation is small glitters of light when the scan says creation is covered in small glitters of light. And seeing a structure as covered in glitters of light means nothing tiering wise.
Looking down on a 2-A structure alone doesn’t warrant low 1-C.
That has already been addressed. I don't want to keep going in circle arguments.I am talking about the void being 1-A has no justification being that high.
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How can you be 1-A by seeing 1-C realm as infinitlysmall?That has already been addressed. I don't want to keep going in circle arguments.
First i'll show you why Heaven/Hell>2-A creationHow can you be 1-A by seeing 1-C realm as infinitlysmall?
Quote says "no time" not beyond.This is what the FAQ says:
"A good way to accomplish this would be to show that whatever state of being in which they exist is completely independent of the number of layers/dimensions present on the setting. For example, if they are unaffected by dimensions being arbitrarily added or removed from physical space by virtue of transcending it entirely, or if they exist as a "background" or canvas of sorts in which any amount of them can be inserted. This argument generalizes to tiers higher than 1-A as well."
The void acts as a background for creation.
- "It is a matter of perception. There is no time here. And no space. So all things are layered on themselves endlessly and perception twists around its own axis until its blinded by fullness, crippled by infinite repetition,".
Lucifer was in a place beyond all definitions of space and time and this would apply to to stacked layers of dimensional space and time, mainly because the scan refers so much of infinite axis, layers, layered of repetition etc
No space/time ≠ Beyond space and time.It should also be noted that simply existing in some alternate state of existence that lacks time and/or space is not really grounds for any tier in particular, as lacking such things does not translate to being superior to them, and would most often overlap with abilities like Acausality or Nonexistent Physiology. A good example of a case like this is Dormammu (Marvel Cinematic Universe), who is stated to exist in a realm "far beyond time," yet never actually displays any superiority over it, and is in fact vulnerable to time-based abilities due to his timeless nature.
Just 2-A.- The Void is infinite and eternal and no matter how large Creations you fill it with, they will never take up any room.
You can have any amounts of space in the void and it will still be treated as zero.
physical spaces which can be added to it are merely 3D/4D spaces, assuming any D structure can be added is just NLF.Elaine first have to push the "absence of space" of the Void in order to fill it.
This matches with what the FAQ says:
Quote says "no time" not beyond.
We already know Time and space are extensions of Lucifer and the Void>>>>No space/time ≠ Beyond space and time.
Doesn't have to be according to FAQLayers are not transcendental ones.
" if they are unaffected by dimensions being arbitrarily added or removed from physical space by virtue of transcending it entirely, or if they exist as a "background" or canvas of sorts in which any amount of them can be inserted"Just 2-A.
Thats not the point here. Space can be added and removed from the Void and the void will remain unaffectedphysical spaces which can be added to it are merely 3D/4D spaces, assuming any D structure can be added is just NLF.
All the scans say No Time, not beyond time or space.We already know Time and space are extensions of Lucifer and the Void>>>>
"To discipline your eyes and mind to that new perspective—to see Time where no Time is—-takes an effort of Will beyond imagining."
They have to be. You're literary misinterpreting it, if someone is above of a hierarchy of layers without any transcendence, it's not 1A.Doesn't have to be according to FAQ
You are literary trying to say transcending space is 1A with some different words.if they are unaffected by dimensions being arbitrarily added or removed from physical space by virtue of transcending it entirely, or if they exist as a "background" or canvas of sorts in which any amount of them can be inserted"
FAQ says about dimensional planes not just spaces. It should specify as higher dimensions.Thats not the point here. Space can be added and removed from the Void and the void will remain unaffected
If that’s the case, then what you did doesn’t doesn’t qualify as a counter example. As bringing up another possible offender to my statement, in attempt to point out some kind of hypocrisy you think I hold, doesn’t refute my statement or attack the logic itself in the statement itself. It’s simply just switching the subject to focus on my moral standards. Which is basic whataboutism.Yes, that's how counter examples work. By referring to different things and showing how the logic fails.
This is so dramatic. These aren't "sly tactics" and nothing I said is related to moral standards. It's the basic concept of debate to use a counter-example to prove a line of logic wrong.If that’s the case, then what you did doesn’t doesn’t qualify as a counter example. As bringing up another possible offender to my statement, in attempt to point out some kind of hypocrisy you think I hold, doesn’t refute my statement or attack the logic itself in the statement itself. It’s simply just switching the subject to focus on my moral standards. Which is basic whataboutism.
This also proves that you’re the one who’s responsible for why this argument we had, became such a mess. As, instead of just addressing what I’m saying you used sly tactics to try and change the subject and deflect from what’s being talked about.
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For the record I personally agree with Xearsay regarding this particular point. I think that our rules are far too lenient regarding assigning extremely high tiers and that a single degree of qualitative superiority should usually be interpreted as being a single degree of infinity greater, not an infinite amount of them or more, unless we are provided with considerably more specific evidence.I have to say the 1-A for the Void is controversial and would probably require its own CRT, so to move things forward and not drag things out unnecessarily, the Void can be "At least low 1-C" for now since that is solid, then we can make the CRT for 1-A void later.
For the record I personally agree with Xearsay regarding this particular point. I think that our rules are far too lenient regarding assigning extremely high tiers and that a single degree of qualitative superiority should usually be interpreted as being a single degree of infinity greater, not an infinite amount of themor more, unless we are provided with considerably more specific evidence.
The Faq kinda contradicts what our tiering system says but i thought we should just follow our current guidelines
Maybe we should get rid of it-
@DontTalkDTI definitely think that we should modify that part of it, yes.
It says that he could drive blight and all evil out of the world with a word. It's clearly indicated that Presence could destroy Blight.It just says he could drive him back not destroy him
Why is the collective unconscious not "the world?"Driving him out of the world could just mean send him back to the collective unconscious
Meh, i think those kind of things are just flowery language.Can The Smile being beyond language possibly grant High 1-A via Negative Theology? Or do we assume “beyond language" here is only within concievablity?