I disagree but even if it wasn’t a spatial dimension it would still be a higher transcendent dimension that exist in the Orrery. As evident from
JLA and
Wonderworld thing I mentioned. 5D imps were entrapped in a bottle of six dimensions in Wonderworld.
The characterization of the Fifth Dimension has changed immensely since the 90s. If I remember correctly, it hadn't even been called Imagination yet during that run, and was explicitly a spatial dimension. The most consistent iteration is Imagination, and we aren't going to simultaneously consider it both just to increase scaling, because it clearly isn't spatial anymore.
This sounds like a lot of arbitrary excuses rather than actual valid reasons. Whether it’s predominant has nothing to do with whether it exist as a part of the cosmology. With a verse as cluttered as DC’s I doubt there is even enough time to make sure everything’s predominant. Also I already gave evidence that these 28 dimensions are referencing spatial dimensions. As it wouldn’t make any sense for Metron to be journeying on his Mobius chair which traverses time and space, through dimensions that aren’t spatial.
You don't have to agree with it. Your "evidence" was specious and I do not agree with your conclusion on the matter. The dimension could just as easily be non-spatial, and as long as they are outside the universes of the Orrery they would still be considered "outside time and space."
Also you kind of just exposed yourself with that last sentence. You’re more focused on whether this would result in tier upgrades rather than truthfulness. Which kind of just proves Matthews point that you guys don’t actually care about accuracy, but rather just finding ways to downgrade the verse.
Accuracy and truthfulness are
why we will not allow such flimsy evidence to justify undeserved upgrades. Rather, it's the opposite. The only reason anyone would try and impose 28 spatial dimension on DC based on this non-evidence is because they only care about tiers, not accuracy.
Also, once again, whether these structures are repeatedly mentioned or not has nothing to do with whether they exist. Limbo was only mentioned two times in the span of several decades. The Monitor Sphere was mentioned only twice as well. It’s pretty foolish to try and use how many times these cosmic structures are mentioned as a valid reason to deny their existence.
Consistency and continuity are important, and we don't have that here. Limbo was visited in Animal Man, and Final Crisis, and was placed on the Multiversity Map. That's a pretty big deal. The Monitor Sphere was also showcased in FC, visited in The Unexpected, visited in Justice League, and is on the Multiversity Map. These are also much much more recent than the 90s.
Also once again you’re exposing yourself. If the Great Light is a structure that exist beneath Perpetua, the yes Perpetua would scale above it. You’re more concerned about trying to prevent high tiers than actual truthfulness.
The fact that you do not understand the basic premise of this project does not mean that I am "exposing myself" by pointing out the fact that it is nonsensical to scale characters above cosmic structures that they don't have any connection to. That is why we are separating the cosmologies in the first place. As the original post clearly pointed out, authorship alone is not a basis for inclusion. Continuity is the larger factor. Cosmic structures that are completely isolated to Animal Man are not going to be grandfathered in just because Morrison wrote them, that's antithetical to the point of this project.
The Overvoid was described as an immense, unknowable entity during Final Crisis. It’s never addressed as the “Unknowable” or anything like that.
You're contradicting yourself. It was called Unknowable. You're proposing that it is a coincidence that the Overvoid was called unknowable during Final Crisis, and that some other unrelated thing called "the unknowable" just-so-happens to be next to the other two things that we explicitly know Grant considers the same? No thanks. You might see fit to live in complete delusion, but the obvious reality is that the description on the map is describing a singular being, and the totality of evidence supports that.
Meaning if you think the Overvoid is the unknowable then you’re basically proving that the Overvoid is not The Source as the Unknowable was established as something beyond The Source.
In a completely different cosmology that has no connection to the one we are discussing, from comics that predate the existence of the Overvoid? Irrelevant.
Also what you’re showing is just extra written messages from Morrison. Which is basically an author statement. You don’t have any evidence from the actual story of the comic itself. However I do. And the evidence I have completely outweighs yours.
What's printed in DC comics is far more important than your opinion, and the evidence from the comics ondeed supports . You have already been thoroughly debunked on this subject even before Absolute Multiversity put it directly in writing.
1) The Map explicitly identifies them as the same thing, the labelling convention of the map makes this overtly clear, every label written on the map is naming the structure or location the name is on. You would have to make a special pleading argument that the label for "the Source" is fundamentally different than every other label on the map. There is no basis for this.
2) The author has repeatedly stated his intention that they are the same thing.
3) The draft map clearly establishes that "the source is the white page" affirming this interpretation.
4) Absolute Multiversity officially establishes this, that the Source and the Overvoid are the same thing.
More importantly, referencing JLA stories is meaningless, the Overvoid hadn't been written then, and Morrison changed tons of things since. Once again, the fact that Morrison wrote it doesn't override everything else, and this conversation will go nowhere until you understand that basic premise.
“Nowhere in the Multiversity scan.” What you referenced was not the Multiversity scan.
Okay. It was referenced in Justice League. What's your point?
