Nowhere in the scans is destructive cosmic energy described as the “all consuming impossible void.”
By falling through the whole in the Source Wall?
It wasn’t meant to. It was meant to refute VeryGoofyToddlers claim which was this.
The Overvoid feared that the Multiverse containing contradictions and complexities would spread within its vast void hence why it bottled the Multiverse.
He does realize there is no article after and to signify a difference to what all-consuming is in conjunction to the impossible Void beyond. Its still referring to the same thing. Your scans actually connect but he's just nitpicking the wrong information and making a false premise from it. His misinterpreting and it’s quite clear.
This is simple logic but people tend to want to use how a character was once written to upscale. Very common trope with these “scalers.”
I don’t think there’s room to make that claim because as I said before, it’s barely dabbled upon at all in Snyder’s work. Snyder not going out of his way to repeat every description about the Overvoid is not the same as Snyder changing it.
Once again. I never denied the all consuming void being the Overvoid. I denied the all consuming void/Overvoid being the cosmic energy of destruction that the Green Lanterns were holding back from spilling into the Multiverse.
The Overvoid didn’t understand the flaw, and was more of shocked by its existence. Monitor Mind contained the flaw so it could study it. I digress, how does this prove that it’s not beyond contradiction?
Let me get this straight. The Lanterns are using their constructs to close up a hole in the Source Wall, which is leaking in a "cosmic ocean of destructive energy." It is also said that they might fall prey to the "impossible all consuming void" outside the Source Wall.
Are you being intentionally obtuse? He is not saying the fact that it bottled the flaw is why it's not beyond contradiction. The reason why it bottled the flaw, the fear of these complexities and contradictions, the fear of it spreading and infecting, disproves transcendence.
That’s not addressing the disjunction. That’s simply you saying because he “didn’t.”
You could argue it was the Source but it’s clear they were addressing it. The most simple way of putting it is that beyond that Wall is the all consuming Void.
His argument is that the "cosmic ocean of destructive energy beyond the Source Wall" that the Lanterns are holding back is some entirely different thing than the "all-consuming void beyond the Source Wall."
You know that’s literally saying the same thing.
No I directly did address your claim of there being a disjunction, as Snyder barely writing about the Overvoid doesn’t prove he changed it.
Saying “it’s clear” is not an argument. Also like I said before, void being beyond the wall =/= the void is the cosmic energy of destruction. And the fact that you just admitted that the cosmic energy of destruction could be something else, disproves the need to assume it’s the Overvoid.
That’s not the point of contention and I’ve openly admitted the Overvoid is outside the Source Wall. The point of contention is that the Overvoid isn’t the cosmic energy of destruction.
Exactly.
By addressing this, you’ve only mention it by saying since Synder didn’t change it. That’s not really answering why there isn’t a disjunction between them. That’s just refutable retort of dodging the evidences that does indicate a difference in writing with the Overvoid.
Even without that logic, there still is a reoccurring pattern of different writers having different interpretations. Which includes a changing of a characters from how they were originally written. Take it how you like it but this does show that Synder does not have the same approach when it comes to the Overvoid.
I saying it’s clear is after showing the evidence and as well as previous notion of those evidences with Deagon. So you abbreviating points as if I didn’t make note of evidences is a intellectual dishonesty.
Right. Your theory that there is a previously unmentioned and completely unrelated ocean of destructive cosmic energy leaking through a crack in the Source Wall that isn't the Overvoid, and even though it says that the Lanterns are trying to avoid falling prey to the "all consuming void" that is also outside this crack, these are in fact two entirely different things, and their fear is that they will fall into the void, not that it's the destructive energy.
It’s more to due with it having no experience other than being the immaculate perfection it was.
Yes it is, because a disjunction is just a lack of correspondence or consistency. If Snyder never changed the Overvoid, then there is no lack of correspondence.
Yes different writers can have different interpretations. However that doesn’t mean we just assume it’s the case. Morrison and Snyder’s stuff was merged in favor of Ultima’s approach on the Overvoid with incorporates Morrison’s material.
You guys showed evidence that doesn’t support your point. And your only argument for why you think it does, was “it’s clear” which is not an argument. As I can simply also say that “it’s clear” that the evidence doesn’t support the Overvoid/void beyond the source wall, being the same as the cosmic energy of destruction.
This is 100% the correct conclusion, and frankly it's getting tiresome to deal with Xear trying to constantly deny extremely obvious and logical conclusions like this. Something like "Overvoid is beyond story" in the face of a scan that shows that the Overvoid was literally terrified of the damage it could do to itself is completely implausible, and we need to stop wasting time on this stonewalling. We've let the thread get way too messy indulging his nonsense.
Are you playing Devil’s Advocate? You would presume there wasn’t a change in the first place. You are not producing evidence for a lack of disjunction. That’s what you need to correlate with your claim not repeat the question by addressing it the same way it was asked.
I’m not using this as my focal point. This is to address something that happens with stories changing characters and due to this does not make the Overvoid consistent throughout its appearances or mentions.
There were the evidences but you seems to dismiss those because of your lackluster approach to how the Overvoid appears the same throughout stories.
Irony.
You’re just repeating yourself and then adding “which means this” without an actual explanation. How does the Overvoid being shocked by the flaw prove it’s not beyond the concepts contained within the flaw?
Why do you keep strawmanning him?
It didn’t care for the Flaw. The Flaw was hindering its immaculate perfection, it was more of a precaution that it bottled it.
If it's beyond the concepts of flaw, How does exactly it affect 1-A rating? using concepts to generalize 1A is blatant NLF.
You're the one repeating yourself trying to prove 1-A Overvoid without providing concrete evidence while this debate has been concluded. If you want to try upgrading the Overvoid to 1-A, you should make another thread for that.
I second this.
The other part of his theory is that "story" created the Monitor Sphere, and since that is currently being treated as a higher degree of infinity, that therefore "story" could add infinitely many layers and the Overvoid would still be above all of them since it's above story.
It’s not my job to provide evidence against your unproven claim. As that would be pushing the burden of proof from you onto me.
Yes and I already acknowledged that stories can change characters. I also acknowledged that this isn’t always the case as some characters can remain the same.
That was already addressed in part 2 of the revision project and Ultimas proposal got accepted. So I don’t know why you guys are trying to rehash a part 2 discussion on whether the Overvoid remained the same from Morrison to Snyder.
It is because this argument is coming from you that did not agree with the Overvoid having no change. That’s your burden of proof to dismiss. Even then your just repeating the same straw man.
That’s not saying anything other than I disagree.
I don’t either but this is a difference in view. I was just adding that the Overvoid can and I
The only thing Ultima proposed that was accepted was combining Snyder and Morrison. However, that includes those retcons, it doesn't ignore them.
Just need to implement the new agreed-upon tiers, I think. Overvoid/Source/Presence 1-C, Vertigo Void, Low 1-C, Divine Presence/Smile was supposed to be High 1-B right? Or did we agree for it to be lower.
@Deagonx this is my intrepretation.
Can you elaborate reasoning for three levels of infinities which used to grant 1-C tier? Agree with Low 1-C Void. I don't think High 1-B scale is valid now.
