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Thought I saw something somewhere a couple days ago that basically said their all apart of the same 2-A multiverse thus not uncountably infinite but 1 single infinity
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The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"
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That's not the current case. But who knows, since quantitative superiority and qualitative superiority were decided to no longer be equivalent, someone may argue that number of universes is not equivalent to dimensional axes.
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Here it is
Bigger than a Single 2-A Structure being a Low 1-C Standard - Clarification
Bump... I have a thread waiting for the conclusion of this
"Infinite 2-A multiverses have the same number of universes as a single one, so the first part adds nothing to size. " - DT
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Backrooms victim tho.
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This is only applies to infinity^n universes. Once a multiverse has uncountably infinite universe or infinity^infinity then it will be low 1-c.Here it is
Bigger than a Single 2-A Structure being a Low 1-C Standard - Clarification
Bump... I have a thread waiting for the conclusion of thisvsbattles.com
"Infinite 2-A multiverses have the same number of universes as a single one, so the first part adds nothing to size. " - DT
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Saint seiya overe here with transduality statements, and with 3 RFD showings and statements each transcending the other and the next
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Isn't Infinite multiverses the same as uncountably infinite universes?
Infinite multiverses each with Infinite universes
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No, that's 2-A.
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Huh, so I misunderstood then.
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No. Infinite multiverses each with infinite universes is just infinifty^2
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Don't worry,it happens to everyone when dealing with this stuff lol.
But basically, afaik the logic behind this is that countable infinities multiplied by anything, even countable infinity, are still countable.
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Ah that makes sense I didn't think about it that way
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So if Ultimas thread passes. Who would be the strongest 1-A's, H1-A's and 0's?
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Who knows? Since all Qualitive Superiority is going to equalized, we are going to have to compare feats and abilities again. I am actually excited.
Even thought I disagree with R>F transcendence, I do think an end to "my cosmology is a bigger and better so my character wins" will be fun to watch. Now, characters will have to prove what they can do. There's going to be a lot of fodder 1-A
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Looks like tiers at 2 and up will have a lot if free spots lmao
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All 0s will be equivalent in Ultima's system.
The strongest 1-As will be stuff with infinite R>F layers. Probably some Umineko characters, or SCP-3812/SCP-682
Strongest High 1-As are extremely interesting.
There's two types of hierarchies in High 1-A.
You could have High 1-As that are just layers into a singular meta-qualitative hierarchy, and then High 1-As that have more "meta" hierarchies (Such as "meta-meta-meta-meta-qualitative hierarchies"). The latter are far stronger.
As it stands now, I have no idea which verse has the most "meta hierarchies." Or in other words, the most "meta-" added onto "meta-quality."
I thought it would be SCP, but honestly, probably not.
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The flood gates of the amount smurfs and 1-A there is about to be....
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Kinda confused about the tier 0 stuff. So like, if the verse is like tier 2 cosmology, but there is a character that is unchanging and the other stuff, would that dude be tier 0 regardless of the cosmology?
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You don't really need some god tier cosmology for a character to tier really really high.
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Yeah. From what I'm gathering if you fit the qualifications of Tier 0 well enough (All 7 of Ultima's qualifications for it), you won't need a High 1-A Cosmology or something to be it. Not saying fitting those qualifications won't be ridiculously difficult, but it's possible to do it without some ridiculous cosmology.
For example, I'm almost completely certain from what I understand of Tier 0 that [ ] from Nasuverse fits the bill despite the fact they'll have at most a 1-A cosmology with these revisions (if their R>F qualifies) and their current Tier 1 ratings at worst
For example, I'm almost completely certain from what I understand of Tier 0 that [ ] from Nasuverse fits the bill despite the fact they'll have at most a 1-A cosmology with these revisions (if their R>F qualifies) and their current Tier 1 ratings at worst
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Pretty sure that counts as the whole 'Tier 0s cannot experience change' thing. So, that would disqualify it.
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No, what I meant was that this character did this without changing and remained as he always was.
That's why the question was about having just one tier 0.
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Oh. Hm. I want to say that disqualified it due to the more than one Tier 0 thing is a no-go, since the Tier 0 is separate from them and not like an Avatar or something similar.
I do genuinely want to know where God / The Magician from Seeker into the Mystery plays into this. Ultima indirectly said he was one of the characters affected by the change, but I wonder to what extent, since some of the statements about God [specifically being beyond the very concept of Limitations itself] is one of the core defining traits God has, and from what I remember reading of the series, he doesn't have any antifeats of being placed at higher tier levels, and DeMatteis seems to heavily lean towards him being a Monad within the story .
I do genuinely want to know where God / The Magician from Seeker into the Mystery plays into this. Ultima indirectly said he was one of the characters affected by the change, but I wonder to what extent, since some of the statements about God [specifically being beyond the very concept of Limitations itself] is one of the core defining traits God has, and from what I remember reading of the series, he doesn't have any antifeats of being placed at higher tier levels, and DeMatteis seems to heavily lean towards him being a Monad within the story .
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Considering that character created a lower universe and it existed inside a aquarium, would that disqualify it from R>F since the universe isn’t exactly an empty set to higher characters?
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They dont directly scale to it, thats the reason
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So what exactly do they scale to?
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From what I'm gathering people scale to the Root , but not [ ] , since it by pure definition of what it is isn't really possible for anyone to scale to it by pure definition.
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Hax
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Also according to Ultima you can have multiple tier 0 characters but not multiple tier 0 beings.
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any clarification on that ? could you send the quote?
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On discord he essentially said that you can have multiple characters (who are tier 0 in some form) who represent or are connected to a monad being but you can't have multiple monad beings. Don't have any exact quotes but what I remember.
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Ah okay, I understand. I guess that'd make sense with the root then.
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