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The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

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Iamunanimousinthat said:
I am pretty sure the bolded will still work.

Dimensional scaling still exists. Its just that qualitive superiority won't work any more. But quantitative superiority will.
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Thought I saw something somewhere a couple days ago that basically said their all apart of the same 2-A multiverse thus not uncountably infinite but 1 single infinity
 
TheUnshakableOne said:
Thought I saw something somewhere a couple days ago that basically said their all apart of the same 2-A multiverse thus not uncountably infinite but 1 single infinity
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That's not the current case. But who knows, since quantitative superiority and qualitative superiority were decided to no longer be equivalent, someone may argue that number of universes is not equivalent to dimensional axes.
 
Iamunanimousinthat said:
That's not the current case. But who knows, since quantitative superiority and qualitative superiority were decided to no longer be equivalent, someone may argue that number of universes is not equivalent to dimensional axes.
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Here it is

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Bigger than a Single 2-A Structure being a Low 1-C Standard - Clarification

Bump... I have a thread waiting for the conclusion of this
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"Infinite 2-A multiverses have the same number of universes as a single one, so the first part adds nothing to size. " - DT
 
Saint seiya overe here with transduality statements, and with 3 RFD showings and statements each transcending the other and the next
 
Iamunanimousinthat said:
This is only applies to infinity^n universes. Once a multiverse has uncountably infinite universe or infinity^infinity then it will be low 1-c.
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Isn't Infinite multiverses the same as uncountably infinite universes?

Infinite multiverses each with Infinite universes
 
Ottavio_Merluzzo said:
Don't worry,it happens to everyone when dealing with this stuff lol.

But basically, afaik the logic behind this is that countable infinities multiplied by anything, even countable infinity, are still countable.
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Ah that makes sense I didn't think about it that way
 
TheUnshakableOne said:
So if Ultimas thread passes. Who would be the strongest 1-A's, H1-A's and 0's?
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Who knows? Since all Qualitive Superiority is going to equalized, we are going to have to compare feats and abilities again. I am actually excited.

Even thought I disagree with R>F transcendence, I do think an end to "my cosmology is a bigger and better so my character wins" will be fun to watch. Now, characters will have to prove what they can do. There's going to be a lot of fodder 1-A
 
TheUnshakableOne said:
So if Ultimas thread passes. Who would be the strongest 1-A's, H1-A's and 0's?
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All 0s will be equivalent in Ultima's system.

The strongest 1-As will be stuff with infinite R>F layers. Probably some Umineko characters, or SCP-3812/SCP-682

Strongest High 1-As are extremely interesting.

There's two types of hierarchies in High 1-A.

You could have High 1-As that are just layers into a singular meta-qualitative hierarchy, and then High 1-As that have more "meta" hierarchies (Such as "meta-meta-meta-meta-qualitative hierarchies"). The latter are far stronger.

As it stands now, I have no idea which verse has the most "meta hierarchies." Or in other words, the most "meta-" added onto "meta-quality."

I thought it would be SCP, but honestly, probably not.
 
Kinda confused about the tier 0 stuff. So like, if the verse is like tier 2 cosmology, but there is a character that is unchanging and the other stuff, would that dude be tier 0 regardless of the cosmology?
 
Yeah. From what I'm gathering if you fit the qualifications of Tier 0 well enough (All 7 of Ultima's qualifications for it), you won't need a High 1-A Cosmology or something to be it. Not saying fitting those qualifications won't be ridiculously difficult, but it's possible to do it without some ridiculous cosmology.

For example, I'm almost completely certain from what I understand of Tier 0 that [ ] from Nasuverse fits the bill despite the fact they'll have at most a 1-A cosmology with these revisions (if their R>F qualifies) and their current Tier 1 ratings at worst
 
About only having one tier 0, what if a character who qualifies gives his strength and existential state to another character?
 
Oh. Hm. I want to say that disqualified it due to the more than one Tier 0 thing is a no-go, since the Tier 0 is separate from them and not like an Avatar or something similar.

I do genuinely want to know where God / The Magician from Seeker into the Mystery plays into this. Ultima indirectly said he was one of the characters affected by the change, but I wonder to what extent, since some of the statements about God [specifically being beyond the very concept of Limitations itself] is one of the core defining traits God has, and from what I remember reading of the series, he doesn't have any antifeats of being placed at higher tier levels, and DeMatteis seems to heavily lean towards him being a Monad within the story .
 
I'm still confused on how the Root could be Tier 0 while having multiple people scale to it, including Shiki Tohno, Michael Roa, etc...
 
From what I'm gathering people scale to the Root , but not [ ] , since it by pure definition of what it is isn't really possible for anyone to scale to it by pure definition.
 
Ahem, so are we saying that the root at two forms then?

"The Root" and [ ] ?
 
BestMGQScalerEver said:
On discord he essentially said that you can have multiple characters (who are tier 0 in some form) who represent or are connected to a monad being but you can't have multiple monad beings. Don't have any exact quotes but what I remember.
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Ah okay, I understand. I guess that'd make sense with the root then.
 
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