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The big issue of DBZ Lifting Strenght...
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thats ap
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Yeah we don't
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We don't. At all.
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"I can punch a hole through a roof, so I must also be able to lift that building."
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Not to mention, in DB, they can destroy planets but vegeta cant lift something around 10k tons kek
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bro it does not matter the movie is not canon we have no reason to waste time discussing it
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He does it in the anime too
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You pointed out that he uses an energy attack for this.
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lmfao
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pretty sure the Broly movie changes the feat
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Lmfao
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What even... how can you possibly say that the op is somehow the one not adapting to new arguments, if theirs weren't actually covered properly?
Surviving the blast's of ki is durability, not LS.
Frieza's feat is an energy blast.
DB characters are consistently shown being far weaker in lifting things than they are in punching them.
So, use actual consistent LS feats. And don't use multipliers, the whole point is AP doesn't scale to LS (gravity multipliers only apply if the characters are performing the lifting in said gravity, because a x100 is enough to floor most saiyan saga dudes without weighs, making it more an anti-feat than anything worth bringing up).
Surviving the blast's of ki is durability, not LS.
Frieza's feat is an energy blast.
DB characters are consistently shown being far weaker in lifting things than they are in punching them.
So, use actual consistent LS feats. And don't use multipliers, the whole point is AP doesn't scale to LS (gravity multipliers only apply if the characters are performing the lifting in said gravity, because a x100 is enough to floor most saiyan saga dudes without weighs, making it more an anti-feat than anything worth bringing up).
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i hope you guys know that ruling out kid goku's class 100 pushing a boulder a bit feat as an outlier is the only way to get a consistent lifting strength chain
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Well you're able to push mich more than you can lift. Most people can move a 300 pound object as long as the environment isn't weird, but lifting a 300 pound object and moving around easily is a different story.
Goku pushing a 570 ton Rock but barely being able to move with 40 ton weights aren't necessarily a contradiction.
Though being real they just can't lift until DBS.
Goku pushing a 570 ton Rock but barely being able to move with 40 ton weights aren't necessarily a contradiction.
Though being real they just can't lift until DBS.
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Goku pushing the rock resulted in 570 tons, whereas even taking into considering his weighted clothes which are about 90 kilograms, an astronomically stronger Goku was getting washed by 100g (16 tons) before his body destroyed itself, recovered, and adapted to the weight. Unless he can somehow push more than he can lift with a twentyfold Kaio-ken as a child, that calculation is a massive outlier
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Mostly agree, but Roshi pushed it much farther, so the whole higher G couldn't work regardless.
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They are not "planet sized" tho. You can see the arena on top of them. So we can made a calcs to find the size of them.
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Concerning the infamous 40 tons scene on Grand kai's planet, you can't use that to downplay Goku's LS because it's been stated that they can't lift many weights while flying.
The weight exponentially increases the amount of Ki to maintain flight, which is why it's considered Ki training in the first place. This kinda explains why Magetta can't fly.
Primary Source that was translated by Herms: Super exciting Guide Page 58
"It’s worth pointing out that it basically says the reason Goku’s weight training in Heaven was so effective was that he used Bukujutsu to float in midair as he used the weights, which made it much harder. Goku’s never shown using Bukujutsu during any of his gravity training on Kaio’s or in the spaceship (at least not in the manga, that I can remember). It also says his image training/meditation was a means to raise his maximum ki, as muscle training has a limit. Toriyama mentioned there being limits to how much training your muscles could do and needing ki to overcome that limit in the book's interview. " - Herms https://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=9953&start=80
Also the Magetta/Vegeta scene : They can apply more force than their weight would suggest:
Magetta probably used his Ki as well which together with his weight made it hard for Vegeta to lift him...
If you argue that it was still an issue of lifting strength, that would mean that Vegeta in base can only lift 20 tons which is absurd because he could move and train while weighing 18 tons in base without God Ki amp in normal Z.....
The weight exponentially increases the amount of Ki to maintain flight, which is why it's considered Ki training in the first place. This kinda explains why Magetta can't fly.
Primary Source that was translated by Herms: Super exciting Guide Page 58
"It’s worth pointing out that it basically says the reason Goku’s weight training in Heaven was so effective was that he used Bukujutsu to float in midair as he used the weights, which made it much harder. Goku’s never shown using Bukujutsu during any of his gravity training on Kaio’s or in the spaceship (at least not in the manga, that I can remember). It also says his image training/meditation was a means to raise his maximum ki, as muscle training has a limit. Toriyama mentioned there being limits to how much training your muscles could do and needing ki to overcome that limit in the book's interview. " - Herms https://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=9953&start=80
Also the Magetta/Vegeta scene : They can apply more force than their weight would suggest:
Magetta probably used his Ki as well which together with his weight made it hard for Vegeta to lift him...
If you argue that it was still an issue of lifting strength, that would mean that Vegeta in base can only lift 20 tons which is absurd because he could move and train while weighing 18 tons in base without God Ki amp in normal Z.....
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They are shown to be planet size tho-
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Wasn't one of the Super Dragon Balls the planet that the Tournament of Destroyers took place on?
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I don't think so but I could be wrong but for the most part that's irrelevant since we have a confirmed size for them which is pretty much 3x the size of Earth
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Are you guys trying to suggest Zamasu has TK on par with lifting 3x Earth’s size?
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I agree! And then we give everyone Immeasurable lifting strength scaling from Jiren since he shaked the Null realm! How do you shake something that's a void? Exactly, you can't! How would you calculate something like that!?! Checkmate, atheists.
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Fists amplified with magic energy don't necessarily have universal mass though.
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ki and magic are different
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That's why high gravity affects them so badly, the more ki they got, the heavier they are!
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