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The big issue of DBZ Lifting Strenght...

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Would it even be consistent if the only other feats are Class M? Assuming we even scale LS like that in DB.
 
Planck69 said:
Would it even be consistent if the only other feats are Class M? Assuming we even scale LS like that in DB.
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I mean LS is just another category that's boosted by ki [goku got stronger in ssj which allowed him to lift more weight]
it would be wierd to treat it differently
 
Zamasu did collect the Dragon Balls through TK in both anime and manga, right??

Then, stronger characters should scale.

Here in the wiki we have examples like Yuzun, for example, Who is able to lift buildings, and stronger characters scale to him, such as Moro, who has class M lifting strenght scaling significally above Yuzun.
 
Planck69 said:
Would it even be consistent if the only other feats are Class M? Assuming we even scale LS like that in DB.
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Class m feats were in base and were done casually too and the best class m feat is from beginning of the series too Goku and Vegeta received quite a few big buffs as the show went on
 
I know I have heard Tao Pai Pai has a Class M feat via throwing the pillar, which can be calculated using the F = MA formula, but I think it needs a proper calculation on the wiki as I cannot find the NarutoForums blog for it anywhere.
 
Thelastmlg said:


He basically pushed the ground so hard it caused a reaction on the planet core that made it break apart, spew lava and eventually explode.

Unlike the anime version, there is no ki here and while there is a ki sound, is seems to just be there for the pressure waves around his hand.
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thats in the movie, not the anime, isnt the anime the main canon?
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
I know I have heard Tao Pai Pai has a Class M feat via throwing the pillar, which can be calculated using the F = MA formula, but I think it needs a proper calculation on the wiki as I cannot find the NarutoForums blog for it anywhere.
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It was calculated around 400 000 ~ 300 000 ish tons last time I saw it
 
Actually, Future Zamasu gathered the Super Dragon Balls via Unknown means

"Gathered the planet-sized Super Dragon Balls, but through unknown means"

That's why he doesn't have any Class something for LS
 
Thelastmlg said:


He basically pushed the ground so hard it caused a reaction on the planet core that made it break apart, spew lava and eventually explode.

Unlike the anime version, there is no ki here and while there is a ki sound, is seems to just be there for the pressure waves around his hand.
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Broly Movie retcons this doesn’t it?

Anyway for DBZ (or DBS too) Kid Goku pushing that rock is a 1000 ton feat, even if you assumed he got no stronger since then, 100g training + super saiyan multiplier would be around 5 million tons.

You don’t think gravity is a 1:1 relationship with lifting strength? Goku pre-Frieza is at least 10x stronger than his Vegeta saga self, considering he is far beyond Great Ape Vegeta. 10,000 tons. With Kaioken against Ginyu that’s 20,000 tons. Post zenkai should be at least just as strong which is 20,000 in base, and kaioken x10, 20, and SSJ makes it 200,000, 400,000, and 1,000,000 tons respectively. Again, assuming he is no stronger than when he was 12.
 
Thelastmlg said:


He basically pushed the ground so hard it caused a reaction on the planet core that made it break apart, spew lava and eventually explode.

Unlike the anime version, there is no ki here and while there is a ki sound, is seems to just be there for the pressure waves around his hand.
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So, we accept this feat but not Planet Vegeta's feat? That seems a bit hypocritical to me since this is clearly AP and not LS.
 
RisingIons said:
Anyway for DBZ (or DBS too) Kid Goku pushing that rock is a 1000 ton feat, even if you assumed he got no stronger since then, 100g training + super saiyan multiplier would be around 5 million tons.

You don’t think gravity is a 1:1 relationship with lifting strength? Goku pre-Frieza is at least 10x stronger than his Vegeta saga self, considering he is far beyond Great Ape Vegeta. 10,000 tons. With Kaioken against Ginyu that’s 20,000 tons. Post zenkai should be at least just as strong which is 20,000 in base, and kaioken x10, 20, and SSJ makes it 200,000, 400,000, and 1,000,000 tons respectively. Again, assuming he is no stronger than when he was 12.
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Dbs Goku already has a few class m (all done casually) feat calc in base the best feat is from the beginning of the series so before he receives God ki
 
I think the best bet is using those Class M feats for DBS people and then apply multipliers if that's allowed

For DBZ I'm unsure but there are some Class 10-25 feats
 
Rez said:
Dbs Goku already has a few class m (all done casually) feat calc in base the best feat is from the beginning of the series so before he receives God ki
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Those were for DBZ though because he’s unknown. All his DBS feats from Universe 6 saga on can be easily multiplied with the various multipliers that exist.
 
Lightning_XXI said:
I think the best bet is using those Class M feats for DBS people and then apply multipliers if that's allowed

For DBZ I'm unsure but there are some Class 10-25 feats
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RisingIons said:
Broly Movie retcons this doesn’t it?

Anyway for DBZ (or DBS too) Kid Goku pushing that rock is a 1000 ton feat, even if you assumed he got no stronger since then, 100g training + super saiyan multiplier would be around 5 million tons.

You don’t think gravity is a 1:1 relationship with lifting strength? Goku pre-Frieza is at least 10x stronger than his Vegeta saga self, considering he is far beyond Great Ape Vegeta. 10,000 tons. With Kaioken against Ginyu that’s 20,000 tons. Post zenkai should be at least just as strong which is 20,000 in base, and kaioken x10, 20, and SSJ makes it 200,000, 400,000, and 1,000,000 tons respectively. Again, assuming he is no stronger than when he was 12.
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Vizer04 said:
So, we accept this feat but not Planet Vegeta's feat? That seems a bit hypocritical to me since this is clearly AP and not LS.
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It's far different from the planet Vegeta feat Frieza is not firing a ki blast he is pushing the ground so hard that it is causing a reaction in the planets core
 
Rez said:
It's far different from the planet Vegeta feat Frieza is not firing a ki blast he is pushing the earth
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Yeah, and Goku pushes Frieza's Death Beams casually. Those beams clearly have pushing force or else Goku wouldn't struggle in the slightless with them.

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Frieza's Supernova went through Planet's Vegeta surface all the way to it's core. And he did it with one finger while laughing about it.
 
Are people seriously extrapolating all that from Frieza just destroying the planet?
 
Planck69 said:
Are people seriously extrapolating all that from Frieza just destroying the planet?
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Freeza pushing the ground resulted in fountains of lava flowing from the ground how else is that supposed to happen how else is pushing the ground going to destroy the planet
 
Rez said:
Freeza pushing the ground resulted in fountains of lava flowing from the ground how else is that supposed to happen how else is pushing the ground going to destroy the planet
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Or he just put a bit of power into his push and it destroyed the planet over a short period of time. Assuming he's somehow shifting tectonic plates is a massive leap in logic, the way I see.
 
Ok then, why do we assume Ki blasts don't have pushing force behind them? That's downright stupid.
 
Planck69 said:
Or he just put a bit of power into his push and it destroyed the planet over a short period of time. Assuming he's somehow shifting tectonic plates is a massive leap in logic, the way I see.
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How is that gonna result in a massive overflow of lava across the whole planet and cause the planet to start ripping planet apart and also how is that gonna cause the planet to explode
 
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