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Tien is never said to be an alien, he is said to be the descend of the triclops who are aliens, nothing contradict that.Missy0124 said:I'll name a few of the blatant contradictive things that the daizenshuu makes example one is tien being a alien and example two is android 8 being a humanoid based jinzo negin like 17 and 18
Tien IS human, he is just a descendent of an alien clan, like Naruto so no, the alien statement contradict nothing.Missy0124 said:Dragomer
Tien was said to be a human and his design is a reference to someone opening their third eye so the alien statement is contradictive to the story and the lore inspiring it. But the statement of eighter being a human based jinzo negin is contradictory to the narrative.
Cause it is outdated when factoring in new sources in like super and is blatantly contradictive
By the logic of the daizenshuu ssj4 goku should surpass bog god goku
Weather the daizenshuu argument is valid or not is a pretty big deal, if the answer is no, we might as well close the thread cause the map used to say the kaioshin realm is outside the universe come from it.Zamasu Chan said:Can we not derail the thread please?
Do you think you can find it?LordTracer said:Uh, no, the map that says the Kaioshin realm is outside the universe came from Toriyama himself. Not the Daizenshuu.
So was the one in the daizenshuu, the one you linked was either from Daizenshuu 4 or the super exciting guide IIRC.LordTracer said:It's just this. It was made by Toriyama.
That's not the same thing. Of course those things aren't Canon to the actual continuity of the story. The map on the other hand call certain aspects of the continuity in question, explaining how the universe world functions the fact that it's in a guide nonthelessMissy0124 said:LordTracer
Toriyama drew a majority of movie,filler and game characters does that make canon cause he drew them.
They haven't responded.Dragomer said:Anyone has contacted any knowledgable members yet ? it's probably not getting added unless we get a few to agree and the thread is getting long.
I am willing to change my opinion if the point on Kaioshin realm being spatially separated from the Living World is debunked, but yes for now, it is a vote of support for Option 3.ILordTracer said:Can I consider that a vote of support?
Even the daizenshuu says it's completely separated.Elizhaa said:Option 3 sounds like it could be valid. From what there are supporting evidences from Kaioshin realm would be impossible to reach without special abilities like teleportation from the Daizenshuu. So, far, from what I know, the Daizenshuu has not be debunked on the topic of Kaioshin realm being spatially separated from the Living World.
That's another dimension. If it's not confirmed that it has a space/time continuum then that's it. That's not how we categorize something that's low 2-C. Just because it requires dimensional travel that doesn't mean it's low 2-C Especially when Dragon Ball doesn't have separate timelines. All the timelines are in the same continuum.Zamasu Chan said:The Realm of the Kai (ROTK) isn't only disconnected but it requires dimension travel. Just like the other universes, they're outside the universe and require dimension travel so what's the difference? Isn't that how we treat other fictions? If something exists outside the universe and it requires any form of dimension travel then they aren't part of the same continuum. No one is addressing it outside of just saying "no". Details are important.
You and the OP are making a claim that Goku and Beerus's clash would be low 2-C because their power would be felt in other realms like the Kaioshin Realm. That's not a Low 2-C feat at all, whatsoever.Zamasu Chan said:@Godhand when did I ever say I was a universe at all?
not to mention the scaling and how multiple statements revolving around the feat hint at it as the OP posted, and if it was strictly physical it wouldn't destroy the souls of the Kaioshin realm. They later affect and destroy spacetime multiple ways such as being able to hit IZ who merged with space-time, Vegeta destroying the time chamber, etc.Elizhaa said:I think their argument from Option 3 is that because their clash can affect the Kaioshin Realm which woud be spatially separated accaording to the Daizenshuu, then it proved their clash can affect space-time hence the destruction of the universe would be Low 2-C not 3-A, Godhand1999.
I feel like this still ignores the problem of how is physical destruction of matter supposed to destroy the souls and spirits in the Afterlife? Physical Matter destruction will literally do NOTHING against souls because the whole point is that they lack physical bodies and has left physical existence (Only exceptions are people who are allowed to retain their bodies in the afterlife, everybody else are faceless blobs).Godhand1999 said:This feat is would STILL be a 3-A feat. It is not Low-2C because Goku and Beerus's clash was going to destroy everything within the universe, not it's space/time continuum. The fact that their power reaches the Kaioshin Realm is rendered null and void because the Kaioshin Realm is not universe sized.
May I ask why the OP is using the Dragon Ball Super Manga? The Dragon Ball Super Manga and Anime are two different entities. This shouldn't be a thing like at all.