Killerdrone123
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No I just responded to the guys who were saying luffy skills are on par with z warriors I know skills aren't a factor here because of ap value
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The 23rd Tournament Gets Raided By Beasts: Round 1
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Current Luffy in skill is at least relative to the likes of Current Sanji, who prior to training with masters of Newkama Kenpo for 2 years straight was able to skillstomp Kuroobi 40th degree Fishman Karate.
Sanji was stated to have surpassed Zeff by Alabasta, who was stated to be comparable to 400th degree, and even if you want to say that Sanji was being hyperbolic here, it would still mean vastly more skilled than 40th degree Karate.
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See? They are loosely relative enough to where it not a huge advantage or disadvantage for either side
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Your NNN training soliderBro what the hell is your profile picture
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But let's get to the point, Kaido has not demonstrated maecial skills at the level of the Z warriors... It's the same thing, in his list of skills he doesn't even appear "hand-to-hand master". I'll leave that topic here.
Killerdrone123
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Ok and the others knowing every form of martial arts inventing new techniques on spot
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What is knowing every martial art gonna do to you getting smacked by a gigantic club
Killerdrone123
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How about dodging it when both have equal speeds or kinda deflecting it
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Raimei Hakkei blitzes people equal to the user in speed. This ain't nothing.
And they aren't deflecting shit
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Hehe heh get clubbed goober meaty whack
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Thing is, they're incredibly agile, but so is Luffy. Luffy has (Observation) Haki and still got tagged by Kaidou's Thunder Bagua.
Also Thunder Bagua is higher than his base speed, and has a calc attached to it, so as far as I'm aware, the Dragon Team is going to struggle to avoid getting hit by TB and its variations.
Also Thunder Bagua is higher than his base speed, and has a calc attached to it, so as far as I'm aware, the Dragon Team is going to struggle to avoid getting hit by TB and its variations.
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It is speed restricted
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Characters still maintain their amps.
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speed equal*, and speed equal ≠ speed amps are equalized
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Bro would be getting jumped by all the direction and getting annoyed by continuous ki blasts thrown by people who can fly sometimes having skills can help you dodge shit which is faster than you, how much of an amp would it provide in speed
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Kaidou has haki and can sense all of their attacks. If he gets overwhelmed to that extent he's using future sight and wiggling around all their moves.
He can match their danmaku with his kaifu tornadoes if need be
He can match their danmaku with his kaifu tornadoes if need be
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Doesn't his haki requires concentration again it would be enough time for them to resort to mafuba
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He can use it nigh instantly. Mafuuba isn't turning on that fast
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Kaidou can also like... move with his Thunder Bagua, so even if they dodge, he'd just follow
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I mean others can distract him and keep him at a point
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So in that case we would have to know what speed baseline of the Z warriors we are relying on since it is not the same to put Yamcha as Goku who has more stats than him.
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Haki does not take prep. It is a nigh passive move.
And he will sense all of that
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Not possible. Kenbun would alert him of their intentions.
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So what other wincons are left for them then
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Where in the blog explaining Observation Haki does it say that it is almost passive?
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As explained in the blog, Kenbun is a sort of 6th sense, and as explained by Gan Fall, Kenbun allows people to 'listen' to the voice of living beings. People unable to use Kenbun have their metaphorical ears closed. When using Kenbun, which in or out of combat may be passive depending on the individual, the user doesn't have to chose to 'listen' at specific moments. Just like ears, you're always 'hearing' things.
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I don't know how to upload images here but in chapter 884, page 8, Katakuri mentions that you should be calm and serene because even the observation haki doesn't work.
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The mention that I told you previously is used in the Haki blog as a weakness of observation haki.
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Mafuba seems to be the better wincon here for the Dragon Team.
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And in a situation where he is constantly getting annoyed by ki blasts I dont think he can remain calm
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That means they can't be upset. They can casually be in fights throwing attacks and using it
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Kenbun doesn't work when you're emotionally unstable, but in the Road to Laughtale databook it was explicitly mentioned that its hard for Kaidou to be put in situations like that
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I have a question does kaido require to sense something for knowing others intention or he just directly knows it
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Sense. He's not omniscient
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Well, but we continue with the same thing, it is a skill which must be activated and is not passive, it requires concentration and mental stability. In equal speeds against all the Z warriors he will be affected as soon as his speed increases, the theme will be different, that is why I consulted with which Z warrior the speed would be equal.
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