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And its still an outlier
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Team Fortress 9-A Upgrade
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The fact that its treated as casual is even mor reasoning for it to be considered an outlir my dude
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How is it an outlier when an injured mercenary who is weaker than Pyro was still able to flail around in the air from an explosion that is less than 0.001 tons away from being 9-A?
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he's not saying it's casual he just saying this is something that it happens so often to where they are not surprised by it anymore.
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Its not .001 tons away. .001 tons is the total yield.
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Cool then it should be easy to find another scan of him doing the same thing if thats what youre using for your argument
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For the last time, I'm not talking about the singular rockets. I'm talking about this, in which the accepted end is 0.00412727302 tons.
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.001 tons is the yield of the 9-B Meet the Medic blast, as well as the other calc with another blast from the same video and the blast from Meet the Soldier
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Literally just look at what Rtx linked to you
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What we are saying is scout wasn't worried or even checked if pyro was ok, he just knew. which would imply that he's done stuff like this so many times that his teammates know he can survive explosions on that level. he was more worried about soldier being naked than pyro being in a large explosion
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This feat is vague.
This is the last we see of Pyro before it and it immediately cuts to Scout/Pauling doing other things for vague time period before we see this explosion.
So
- We don't know where this explosion originated from
- We don't know what Pyro was doing in the building that made the explosion
- We don't know if Pyro even caused that explosion and not one of the OG mercs, the only indication being that Scout thinks he made the explosion
- We don't know how far away Pyro was from the explosion - as he presumably started fighting the two other mercs for some period of time while Scout/Pauling were doing things
I can see there's an effort to fill in the blanks on this one but I honestly don't see how one particular interpretation takes priority over another.
idc the rest of this, scaling heat durability to blunt force durability is wack but I don't care enough to actually debate that
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With many 9-B feats, it's not. You just abuse the word outlier whenever you don't want a verse to be upgraded
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1) We know, there are many grenade boxes on the floor.
2) We do. The scout was covered in gasoline and pyro blew up several grenade boxes
3) We literally see it on panel
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With many 9-B feats that consistently maim, fragment, and vaporize the characters a single 9-A feat of tanking a warehouse full of exlosives that consistntly maim, frag, and vaporize them would i fact be an outlier
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1) Speculation at best. If it isn't shown, it can't be assumed.
2) He was covered in gasoline, cool. That means Pyro set him on fire, it does not mean Pyro blew him up.
3) We see an explosion, we never see Pyro and we have no timeframe between the last panel we see Pyro and the first panel we see the explosion.
2) He was covered in gasoline, cool. That means Pyro set him on fire, it does not mean Pyro blew him up.
3) We see an explosion, we never see Pyro and we have no timeframe between the last panel we see Pyro and the first panel we see the explosion.
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1)There are grenade boxes there.
2) Yes? This is a durability feat, not an AP feat.
3) Scout saying "there he is" is enough. And the sudden cut does suggest it's simply switching points of view
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1) Ok, cool. The grenades blew up the facility. This is not a factor that affects the outcome anyway.
2) I'm saying we have absolutely no idea how long before the warehouse blew up or how close Pyro was to the fire. I can come up with a scenario where Pyro lights them on fire and runs off before they bump into a grenade box and blow up. And this would be just as valid as anything you can come up with because that's literally how little information we are given.
3) Saying "there he is" is a very generalised statement of pointing out someone's location. It is in no way insinuating that Pyro was at the epicenter of the blast especially since Scout had 0 insight into what transpired in the warehouse.
2) I'm saying we have absolutely no idea how long before the warehouse blew up or how close Pyro was to the fire. I can come up with a scenario where Pyro lights them on fire and runs off before they bump into a grenade box and blow up. And this would be just as valid as anything you can come up with because that's literally how little information we are given.
3) Saying "there he is" is a very generalised statement of pointing out someone's location. It is in no way insinuating that Pyro was at the epicenter of the blast especially since Scout had 0 insight into what transpired in the warehouse.
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Yes, the Pyro, who sees fire as rainbows and happiness itself, would run away from a fire.
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I know it's ******* stupid but here we are.
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Yeah a double rainbow once jumped my cousin
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ok
1) Assuming the grenade boxes blew up they're spread thorough the room. This spreads the explosion around to the point where the calculation just doesn't apply for being in the general area. something something square cube idk
2) I don't see any grenade boxes exploding
3) Scout saying Pyro is in the building does not tell me what Pyro is doing in the building. If it's simply switching POVs then there is like, still a lot of downtime between Pyro engaging the other mercs and the explosion going off.
tl;dr feat still vague/bad
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It's portrayed as one explosion tho
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I think I speak for both sides when I say that we are tired of repeating the same arguments. I’m currently too tired from other stuff, but hopefully within 2 days, I plan to post a proper refute that addresses all important points of the opposition.
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The problem with this assumption is that I did look over them this time. Not just the standard gloss over it and bail. There is no reason to assume those explosions were a significant enough distance away to render the feat 9-B.
I already addressed how Scout had no significant signs of damage in spite of already being injured before that point. It's not the same as having your leg blown off.
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Reading through the entire thread I agree with straight up 9-A. one near 9-A and one 9-A feat should be enough to scale. Separating the mercs into two keys is also a good solution to all of the lower feats.
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there are no feats near 9-A, there are three mid 9-B feats and one 9-A feat
Two keys wont work seeing as we no longer accept in-game stuff as legitimate for TF2
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I am not interested in debating with you Weekly. I doubt any of what you could say could sway me when this entire thread hasn't thus far.
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And no, we never agreed on that.
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TF2 Missile Tanking
vsbattles.fandom.com
1169.69758594 Grams of TNT or 4894014.7 Joules which is 9-B or Wall level
TF2: Meet the Soldier Explosion
vsbattles.fandom.com
0.00090613812 tons of TNT or 3791281.89 joules
TF2: Meet the Medic Explosion (not the one you think)
vsbattles.fandom.com
0.0016512881 tons of TNT or 6908989.41 joules
The calc group did in fact agree on it
And .001 tons is not only consistent in cutscenes as it has now three different calcs of three dfferent rockets that all have that yield, but its consistent with the in-game rockets and grenades which have also been calced at that level and have a measured blast radius that puts them at that level
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...are you even looking at the image? The one I clearly circled in red to make it bright as day? Or are you just purposefully ignoring it?
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oh my god
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you know
this kinda actually needs to get discussed first (in a different thread!) before you can state this as if it were a fact already
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It already was wasnt there?
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No, not at all. Abstractions has just mentioned twice that a scan that suggests the gameplay to be a dramatiziation of what canonically happened exists, there has been no thread about that.
But to get back on track,
But to get back on track,
The yield of .00412 tons of TNT was accepted for this calc as you have been shown several times now.TF2 Missile Tanking
1169.69758594 Grams of TNT or 4894014.7 Joules which is 9-B or Wall level
In hindsight, this calculation seems incorrect. Slightly wonky pixelscaling and we can't see the entirety of the blast.TF2: Meet the Soldier Explosion
0.00090613812 tons of TNT or 3791281.89 joules
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I'm just going to basically say, I think Dargoo is spot on with the analysis.
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I can see Dargoo's point, but I can't really agree with writing the feat off entirely
The implication is pretty strongly suggesting that there was an altercation that lead to the grenades going off and the whole place blowing up, which Pyro would have had to tank. If it was some point after that they'd probably just show Pyro actually outside of the building instead of having it stated "oh, there's pyro, in the middle of that massive explosion"
There is also still the scout feat so
The implication is pretty strongly suggesting that there was an altercation that lead to the grenades going off and the whole place blowing up, which Pyro would have had to tank. If it was some point after that they'd probably just show Pyro actually outside of the building instead of having it stated "oh, there's pyro, in the middle of that massive explosion"
There is also still the scout feat so
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