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Team Fortress 9-A Upgrade

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Regardless, I still have 3 potentially supporting feats that I will try to calc, as well as recalc the pyro explosion based on some of the issues said here.
 
Ok so based on what I know, the 9-A feats are Pyro's shed explosion, and MvM robots tanking the Sentry Buster. But there are also tons of 9-B feats like the explosion of pills and rockets.

Don't we have protocol for verses like this? If I remember correctly, IDW Transformers has tiers for both high end and low end feats because the verse is inconsistent with their scaling. Would it not be appropriate to do like, At least 9-B, at most 9-A?

I don't see why there can't be a compromise. We've been at a roundabout for days now spitting the same rhetoric and I've seen compelling arguments from both sides. There really isn't much to do here but compromise.
 
Sir_Ovens said:
Ok so based on what I know, the 9-A feats are Pyro's shed explosion, and MvM robots tanking the Sentry Buster. But there are also tons of 9-B feats like the explosion of pills and rockets.

Don't we have protocol for verses like this? If I remember correctly, IDW Transformers has tiers for both high end and low end feats because the verse is inconsistent with their scaling. Would it not be appropriate to do like, At least 9-B, at most 9-A?

I don't see why there can't be a compromise. We've been at a roundabout for days now spitting the same rhetoric and I've seen compelling arguments from both sides. There really isn't much to do here but compromise.
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100% agreed
 
There is also the Scout feat where the net result (The entire explosion itself) is less than 0.001 tons away from being 9-A.

I can settle for an "at most 9-A" tier.
 
Sir_Ovens said:
Ok so based on what I know, the 9-A feats are Pyro's shed explosion, and MvM robots tanking the Sentry Buster. But there are also tons of 9-B feats like the explosion of pills and rockets.

Don't we have protocol for verses like this? If I remember correctly, IDW Transformers has tiers for both high end and low end feats because the verse is inconsistent with their scaling. Would it not be appropriate to do like, At least 9-B, at most 9-A?

I don't see why there can't be a compromise. We've been at a roundabout for days now spitting the same rhetoric and I've seen compelling arguments from both sides. There really isn't much to do here but compromise.
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The 9-A feat is being recalced as there is a ton wrong with the math and it has already been agreed to be likely too vague to use regardless

Sentry Buster is in-game only and thus wouldnt be useable
 
It isnt, th end that is usd is .001 tons, as evidenced by the five calcs that all have that yield
 


Im done. I've literally outlined it in red for you, and yet you turn a blind eye to it. I'm taking about the giant explosion in its entirety. I apologize for my tone, but I'm quite tired of repeating this, even after outlining it for you.
 
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Eh you saved me the effort anyhow.

Even if we can't use it, it shows that the mercs can survive stuff above 9-B.
 
The Scout feat, which is on the profile, has an accepted value of 0.00412727302 tons which is less than 0.001 tons away (NOT for a single rocket, but the entire explosion itself) from 9-A, so no, its not the "only" 9-A feat.

And there is still some stuff I wish to calc. There are some explosions from Meet the Soldier that look promising.
 
The scout feat's accepted value is .001 tons

Pyro's feat is the only 9-A feat you guys had yes
 
Also, I would prefer if someone besides Weekly recalced Pyro's explosion, because I would not put it past Weekly to purposefully inflate the result for the sake of making it an outlier, given they've also purposefully ignored things for the sake of keeping TF2 out of 9-A despite being told about them multiple times.
 
The math looks fine at a glance, so it doesn't seem that necessary, but if someone wants to, sure.
 
Akidwholiketopowerscale said:
Do we know what caused the explosion?
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Considering the crazy people with explosives and the lack of things that explode in that map otherwise, I'd bet it was either Soldier or Demo.

INB4 both of those are calced at 8-C and Weekly's little plan to make the pyro explosion an outlier blows up in their face
 
I dont evn know how you would go about calcing that, for one theres no scale to measure its just a bunch of explosions right in the camera and for two it looks like multiple explosions going off not just one
 
WeeklyBattles said:
I dont evn know how you would go about calcing that, for one theres no scale to measure its just a bunch of explosions right in the camera and for two it looks like multiple explosions going off not just one
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I can probably use SFM to help
 
Da_Lunge_Fish said:
Outlier is for extreme cases. Not 9-B, possibly 9-A due to demos pill to 8-C
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This would in fact be an extreme case. Pyro tanking an 8-C explosion produced by a warehouse of explosives that consistently oneshot the mercs in every other scenario is an outlier in every sense
 
WeeklyBattles said:
This would in fact be an extreme case. Pyro tanking an 8-C explosion produced by a warehouse of explosives that consistently oneshot the mercs in every other scenario is an outlier in every sense
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That consistently one shot the mercs? We don't know what kinda explosions those were, TFC mercs are weaker than TF2 mercs
 
Cool? That doesnt change the fact that tanking an 8-C feat with no damage is an outlier for a cast of characters that are consistntly hurt, maimed, and killed by 9-B weaponry
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Cool? That doesnt change the fact that tanking an 8-C feat with no damage is an outlier for a cast of characters that are consistntly hurt, maimed, and killed by 9-B weaponry
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Cool? That dosn't change the fact I'm nowhere near trusting that calc of yours given you're clearly opposed to this to the extent that you ignore an admin-approved calc that people have told you about several times
 
The_Smashor said:
Cool? That dosn't change the fact I'm nowhere near trusting that calc of yours given you're clearly opposed to this to the extent that you ignore an admin-approved calc that people have told you about several times
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Says the guy ignoring five admin approved 9-B calcs and declarations from admins that 9-A isnt viable?
 
I would seriously prefer if someone with no clear biases here redid Pyro calc, though. @DMUA, would you consider doing it since you seem to be neutral here?
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Says the guy ignoring five admin approved 9-B calcs and declarations from admins that 9-A isnt viable?
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Other admins have said it is viable so....
 
At this moment I'm leaning towards Sir_Ovens's proposal, and basically to the cast becoming stronger than just 9-B.

There's feats some of which were calced and accepted, the fact that characters are hurted by 9-B attacks doesn't necessarily making 9-A feats an outlier, at least because there's more than one.

And also I'm just interested how it would end, so let me sit there.
 
Oleggator said:
At this moment I'm leaning towards Sir_Ovens's proposal, and basically to the cast becoming stronger than just 9-B.

There's feats some of which were calced and accepted, the fact that characters are hurted by 9-B attacks doesn't necessarily making 9-A feats an outlier, at least because there's more than one.

And also I'm just interested how it would end.
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There isnt more than one, there is a single 9-A feat that was recalced to 8-C, the rest is literally just upscaling from mid level 9-B attacks that kill them
 
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