Team Fortress 9-A Upgrade

[Anomalous_N_I_W_D_E]

Another feat is `heavy killing a bear that weighed so much it crushed airplane metal with its weight

Might just be another "9-B"

 

[Anomalous_N_I_W_D_E]

Maybe we could give the mercs MVM keys and make those 9-A?

This seems best TBH.

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

MVM keys being 9-A makes sense in my eyes

 

[TheGatememer]

I'd still rather have the base keys at 9-A, because of the Scout feat, and the fact that Sir Nukesalot's explosions are stronger than the explosion Scout survived.

Though, I'm not opposed to having an MvM Key itself.

 

[Abstractions]

Might just be another "9-B"

People don't realize how strong bears actually are, but yes, you would be correct there.

Sir Nukesalot's explosions are stronger than the explosion Scout survived.

Sir Nukesalot under normal conditions would kill Scout in one shot easily, you need to add on resistances and overheal to even consider living.

 

[TheGatememer]

Sir Nukesalot under normal conditions would kill Scout in one shot easily, you need to add on resistances and overheal to even consider living.

Thats... kinda what I was getting at. It’s consistent in the sense that Scout can survive an at least near baseline 9-A explosion in his base, and with upgrades, can potentially survive explosions greater into 9-A.

Like I mentioned, there is also the feat of the giant robots surviving Sentry Buster Explosions, and the mercs being able to harm and kill them.

And also, all the Mercs should be capable of surviving a single crit pill with upgrades, and a single crit pill can do this.

With all this in mind, shouldn't it be fine to at the very least, say that the mercs are "At least 9-B, likely/possibly 9-A"? (The giants would just be 9-A due to being stronger than the mercs)

 

[Anomalous_N_I_W_D_E]

Thats... kinda what I was getting at. It’s consistent in the sense that Scout can survive an at least near baseline 9-A explosion in his base, and with upgrades, can potentially survive explosions greater into 9-A.

Like I mentioned, there is also the feat of the giant robots surviving Sentry Buster Explosions, and the mercs being able to harm and kill them.

And also, all the Mercs should be capable of surviving a single crit pill with upgrades, and a single crit pill can do this.

With all this in mind, shouldn't it be fine to at the very least, say that the mercs are "At least 9-B, likely/possibly 9-A"?

I mean, the main medic scout feat that got calc'd for the billionth time finally got 9-A, and approved by another veteran.

But I guess since we wanna be safe here then: "9-B+ to likely 9-A at peak (In their early days) | 9-A (MVM upgrades)" Seems about right.

 

[The_Smashor]

People don't realize how strong bears actually are, but yes, you would be correct there.



Sir Nukesalot under normal conditions would kill Scout in one shot easily, you need to add on resistances and overheal to even consider living.

*Technically just resistances

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

So i updated my jungle inferno explosion calc a bit because i forgot to devide the diameter by two for the radius and all the results turned out to be wall level

 

[Anomalous_N_I_W_D_E]

So i updated my jungle inferno explosion calc a bit because i forgot to devide the diameter by two for the radius and all the results turned out to be wall level

Oof, Well hence why I said 9-B to 9-A. At their best (MVM Keys) They at least are able to have damaged some bots that can tank Sentry Buster Explosions.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

People don't realize how strong bears actually are, but yes, you would be correct there.



Sir Nukesalot under normal conditions would kill Scout in one shot easily, you need to add on resistances and overheal to even consider living.

That bear crushed an airplane with sheer weight tho

 

[Abstractions]

That bear crushed an airplane with sheer weight tho

This was an already crashed, beat up plane though, and it only dented a small portion of it.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

This was an already crashed, beat up plane though, and it only dented a small portion of it.

Still heavy af, and HWG literally flipped the bear on the cover.

 

[Abstractions]

Still heavy af, and HWG literally flipped the bear on the cover.

That's part of his Class 5 rating.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

That's part of his Class 5 rating

That would be KE too

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

That would be KE too

wouldn't it be GPE?

 

[Anomalous_N_I_W_D_E]

wouldn't it be GPE?

GPE?

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

GPE?

Gravitational Potential Energy

 

[Anomalous_N_I_W_D_E]

Gravitational Potential Energy

How would that apply to the bear and how exact could we get from it then?

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

GPE is the energy for things falling and lifting stuff, thought GPE can only be used to calculate AP from lifting something if it's a quick lift

 

[Anomalous_N_I_W_D_E]

GPE is the energy for things falling and lifting stuff, thought GPE can only be used to calculate AP from lifting something if it's a quick lift

Well its been implied that Heavy has been doing this since he was far younger including her sisters. So doing all of that for Heavy's POV is like picking up a jug of milk from the fridge for him.

Keep in mind Scout bested a Heavy in three swings. while he killed Baby Bears shouldn't be far off by killing one with a ******* plastic bone and Solider snapping the neck of one as swiftly.

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

Yeah i think GPE could apply for this

 

[Anomalous_N_I_W_D_E]

Yeah i think GPE could apply for this

So give it a shot I guess. I updated my post regarding others.

Also here we are with Athlethic movement Mercs when we haven't even applied Spy's killing feat to the rest yet.

 

[Anomalous_N_I_W_D_E]

People don't realize how strong bears actually are, but yes, you would be correct there.

Actually while this doesn't have much merit to TF2 things, about that; I remember a clip IRL of a teen under duress literally pushed aside a bear, even though she didn't notice it being a Bear, That sounds pretty cool.

Also is it true that under certain conditions regarding a person being under potent substances like meth that they are this heightned and can, I kid you not "Flip over a car"? That has to be an exaggeration right? If not then that shit's ******* scary. xD

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

Tried calcing the bear lift the results are pretty low tho

 

[Anomalous_N_I_W_D_E]

Tried calcing the bear lift the results are pretty low tho

Yeah I thought so, So anyways Approved by a veteran I want to at least propose a "At least 9-B, Likely 9-A at peak (Before-MVM) | 9-A-ish (Post-MVM)".

There was also Mikhail holding back this big Metallic Door in "Expiration Date" but I'm not all too confident that it was "quick" But more so him delaying it... Should still be higher then 5 though, like around class 10 maybe.

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

Yeah I thought so. There was also Mikhail holding back this big Metallic Door in "Expiration Date" but I'm not all too confident that it was "quick" But more so him delaying it... Should still be higher then 5 though, like around class 10 maybe.

I don't think GPE could be used to calc this since he didn't lift the door, but it is a solid lifting strength feat

 

[Anomalous_N_I_W_D_E]

I don't think GPE could be used to calc this since he didn't lift the door, but it is a solid lifting strength feat

Yeah I know, I also updated my post, nothing new but to get the point across lads... We can at least be assured of compromising that as they do vary in these and not cause too much kerfuffle.

 

[Anomalous_N_I_W_D_E]

I don't think GPE could be used to calc this since he didn't lift the door, but it is a solid lifting strength feat

And afterwards on another thread we shall disscuss Reactionary feats because via the logic with Pyro Airblast there are notable stuff in this catagory but I'll be shot down surely.

 

[The_Smashor]

Bump

 

[Knifeman29]

So what’s gonna happen with tf2

 

[Anomalous_N_I_W_D_E]

So what’s gonna happen with tf2

My proposal seems 'Ok', But like we love too though the admin censors wouldn't allow it.

 

[TheGatememer]

My proposal seems 'Ok', But like we love too though the admin censors wouldn't allow it.

I think a few staff have agreed with this thread, including multiple calc group members. Though To my knowledge, they haven’t seen the recent arguments. Perhaps we can just message them to see if it’s fine by then still?

We can honestly just throw out Weekly’s arguments because they’ve been blatantly ignoring feats this whole time.

 

[Knifeman29]

Cool. Also this is a little off topic but could we make profiles for the companies, like Mann co or Australia?

 

[The_Smashor]

Cool. Also this is a little off topic but could we make profiles for the companies, like Mann co or Australia?

Too little info about them. Grey Gravel Co. might be possible, though.

 

[Anomalous_N_I_W_D_E]

Cool. Also this is a little off topic but could we make profiles for the companies, like Mann co or Australia?

While its non canon, Saxton in the Apple Comic actually had tech to destroy the moon if I recall.

 

[Thelastmlg]

It was from the apple shop, not Saxton, he did want to buy the shop but had to fight the CEO

 

[Anomalous_N_I_W_D_E]

I think a few staff have agreed with this thread, including multiple calc group members. Though To my knowledge, they haven’t seen the recent arguments. Perhaps we can just message them to see if it’s fine by then still?

We can honestly just throw out Weekly’s arguments because they’ve been blatantly ignoring feats this whole time.

I hope so... But still, my Vinyl Antennas sensing the bullshit levels a dimension away mate. Like I know we probably can not somehow count Solider rocket jumping with his Cow Mangler even though the site itself says "Rocket jumping can be performed without hindrance, and the shots can be reflected by enemy Pyros." But this is A-OK and we totally shouldn't call out for or push some luck.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

Btw, imo bonk Scout should be FTL. It can dodge even pompson’s radiation at point blank, and no one but scout scales to it

 

[Abstractions]

I hope so... But still, my Vinyl Antennas sensing the bullshit levels a dimension away mate. Like I know we probably can not somehow count Solider rocket jumping with his Cow Mangler even though the site itself says "Rocket jumping can be performed without hindrance, and the shots can be reflected by enemy Pyros." But this is A-OK and we totally shouldn't call out for or push some luck.

We don't need to have the vaporization discussion again, and reflection doesn't imply characters can survive something.