Superboy Post-flashpoint Upgrade

[Zensum]

So I recently finsihed the Superboy new 52 run and I saw there could be a form added.

This is Paradox Superboy. One being with the consciousness of New 52 Superboy Kon El and his future self Jon El X

Basically they became a temperal anomaly after his future self went back in time and made contact with himself with oracle herald superboy as a bridge. ( hard to explain tbh ) X

Feats

Created own pocket universe X

Outside the universe X

Reality Warper ( Power Bestowal, Cosmic, Alternate Future Awareness ) X

Ripped all versions of himself from the diffrent universes X

-Comes from superboy 32-34

 

[LordAizenSama]

So is creating a pocket Universe the same as creating a usual one?

Anyway theres a few different things here so i'll highlight this

 

[Zensum]

Alright cool. Its definitly smaller that an actual universe if that helps

 

[Antvasima]

Here is what I wrote for the "High 3-A" category after talking with DarkLK:

"Characters who have an infinite degree of 3-dimensional power. Alternately 4-dimensional power that is shown as completely qualitatively superior to 3-Dimensional beings, but is less than universal in scale. Or that allows them to create large parts of a universal continuum. Take note that we consider most small scale time-space abilities as hax, not as AP."

Hence, we generally tend to go by the size of the pocket universe, unless there are other indications of being of higher-dimensional stature, or we are clearly shown that they create the entire continuum from scratch.

 

[Zensum]

It was a mini universe outside the current one. So probably under hax. Along with some dimmensional and cosmic awareness.

 

[Antvasima]

How large was the mini universe?

 

[Jucaslucas]

The size of a few city blocks at most, iirc. They were in a huge building.

But he only had that power for a few issues. He lost it pretty fast.

 

[Zensum]

The size of a few city blocks at most, iirc. They were in a huge building.
But he only had that power for a few issues. He lost it pretty fast.

True, where do you think his herald form is at when hes working for oracle

 

[Jucaslucas]

The size of a few city blocks at most, iirc. They were in a huge building.
But he only had that power for a few issues. He lost it pretty fast.

True, where do you think his herald form is at when hes working for oracle

Well, should be stronger than H'el, at least. I don't remember much about what he has done, though.

 

[Jucaslucas]

Also, the other Superboy that Connor defeated, killed all the heroes in Earth. That should count for something.

 

[Zensum]

Oh yeah he did at base.

Some of this stuff is kinda vague most of this can be classfied as hax but due the comsic abilties his tier would probably be best at unknown

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

So from what i've seen here, this is now just more of adding more hax abilities on his page rather than physically upgrading him?

 

[Jucaslucas]

Yeah. But this is him as the herald of the Oracle. He doesn't have those powers normally.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Oh that makes sense then...

 

[Nibbler3100]

The best route is to add a new picture tab with that form and separate those hax abilities from his regular ones

 

[Zensum]

Yeah that seems like the best idea

 

[Antvasima]

Wait a minute. Is this an alternative timeline version of Superboy?

If so, I do not think that we should have a profile for the character, as it opens the door for creating unnecessary profiles for lots of other obscure alternative versions of characters.

 

[Zensum]

Its the same superboy but he fused with a superboy from an alternate timeline after he met himself. Thus paradox

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. But nevertheless, creating a few city blocks is not very impressive. Defeating the heroes of his world might also be Plot Induced Stupidity, as Marvel and DC are basically built upon it.

 

[Zensum]

Hmm, could be pis. Do you think this would also be under hax. He was able to give someone a green lantern ring because an incartion of them had one in a diffrently reality. He was also able to instantly kill people because they were dead in another universe.

 

[Antvasima]

It all sounds too hard to gauge properly to me. In addition, if I have understood properly, it was just temporary, so it is not so important.

 

[Zensum]

Yeah thats true

 

[Antvasima]

I will close this thread then.