DC Comics: Reviewing Exotic Haxes

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

Also, I am not sure what the proposal for Mandrakk is at the current moment (if there are any), but if it's a removal for the hax then I disagree with it for the reasons outlined in the thread that gave him it.

The removal was already approved and applied. You'd need to make a counter-CRT if you want it added back.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

I side with Deagon that the emotional spectrum is not tied to the life equation simply due to what was believe to be there in the beyond Source Wall. I’ve read the story and there’s nothing to suggest the reservoir was the Source. Life equation and the emotional spectrum should be kept as two different things.

However, I’m still in favor of giving Captain Atom either conceptual manipulation or a limited variant of it.

 

[NHTkenshin2]

The removal was already approved and applied. You'd need to make a counter-CRT if you want it added back.

Sure. Why was it removed.

 

[Deagonx]

Sure. Why was it removed.

The ability in question lacked a justification

 

[Robo432343]

should we remove resistance to plot manip for chryalis? the justification just says she has seemingly broken free from the narrative and there are 0 scans for that and for any of her other abilities

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

should we remove resistance to plot manip for chryalis? the justification just says she has seemingly broken free from the narrative and there are 0 scans for that and for any of her other abilities

Until there’s justification which I can’t find either then the ability should be removed. “Seemingly” should be a dead giveaway of a random ability that she didn’t possess.

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

If that's so, I'll leave CA's CM alone for now. There are three other things I haven't applied:



There's still ongoing debate regarding these, so what should I do?

For the first one, I think VeryGoofyToddler should compile his arguments for causality manipulation into a final comment.

The second one, the people in favor of causality manipulation for Vertigo characters are arguing for other feats, so that justification for Lucifer could probably be removed.

For the third one, anyone whishing to grant these character concept manipulation should probably bring scans. We should wait until the causality manipulation debate is taken care of, then remove CM for anyone who wasn't given justifications by the end.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

For the first one, I think VeryGoofyToddler should compile his arguments for causality manipulation into a final comment.

I made it pretty clear when it was being discussed.

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

I made it pretty clear when it was being discussed.

You still need to make a post.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

You still need to make a post.

What exactly do I need to do? When I literally requited you twice to read it. What difference would a post make when I already summarized it. Just read what I already said, if not the best you’ll get is the same things rewritten differently and that’s a bit tedious.

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

What exactly do I need to do? When I literally requited you twice to read it. What difference would a post make when I already summarized it. Just read what I already said, if not the best you’ll get is the same things rewritten differently and that’s a bit tedious.

@ProfectusInfinity

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

@ProfectusInfinity

I don't think I have much more to say, it's probably better if some staff took a look at Toddler's arguments now and evaluated them.

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[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

I don't think I have much more to say, it's probably better if some staff took a look at Toddler's arguments now and evaluated them.

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[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

I made the following arguments in the OP:

• Brainiac (Post-Flashpoint), Death of the Endless, Delirium of the Endless, Desire of the Endless, Despair of the Endless, Destiny of the Endless, Destruction of the Endless, Dream of the Endless, Elaine Belloc, Glory of the First Circle, Jill Presto, Mazikeen, Michael Demiurgos, Swamp Thing (Classic), and The Great Darkness all have no justification for their Causality Manipulation at all, so all this should be axed.

• Lucifer Morningstar (DC Comics) has (The titans ascended to godhood and became immune to all forms of power other than their own, to defeat them Lucifer killed the titans before they had ascended to godhood, thus destroying the event of them ever becoming God[14]), which is just him changing history by killing someone in the past to kill them in the present and isn't a hax.

• Black Racer, Despair of the Endless, Destiny of the Endless, Gabriel Hornblower, Mandrakk the Dark Monitor, Nix Uotan, Pralaya (DC Comics), Rox Ogama, The Monitors (DC Comics), The Thought Robot, and Yuga Khan all have no justification for their Conceptual Manipulation at all, so all this should be axed.

VeryGoofyToddler made the following counterpoints, and ProfectusInfinity made the following counter-counterpoints:

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@DarkDragonMedeus @Mr. Bambu @Celestial_Pegasus @Andytrenom @Wokistan @Ultima_Reality @Elizhaa @Qawsedf234 @ByAsura @Sir_Ovens @Damage3245 @Starter_Pack @Abstractions @LordGriffin1000 @Colonel_Krukov @SamanPatou @GyroNutz @Firestorm808 @Everything12 @Maverick_Zero_X @Crabwhale @Just_a_Random_Butler @Agnaa @DarkGrath @Dereck03 @JustSomeWeirdo @Theglassman12 @Eficiente @DemonGodMitchAubin @Duedate8898 @Planck69 @KingTempest @Armorchompy @CrimsonStarFallen @UchihaSlayer96 @LordTracer @Emirp sumitpo @EliminatorVenom @Deagonx @FinePoint @Elizio33 @Propellus @AbaddonTheDisappointment What do you think?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Still think the OP is looking good mainly with ProteusInfinity's counter arguments to the counter arguments.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

I highly doubt it since the whole premise of the Archangels was to build the Universe under Yahweh’s instruction Destiny, whom represents cause and effect, is one of the cornerstones in building Creation. Lucifer, as a Creator himself, mentioned how cause and effect are “useful tools” but they're not the foundation you build on. He's notioning the idea that predestination shouldn't be a need and since he explained to the Basanos “My Universe express my will” and Susano learned the rules of Lucifer's Universe are back in his order.

It's clear the Archangels have causality manipulation. Considering Michael literally has the power of God and the Angels state he can do an impossible task that they thought only God could do.

 

[Duedate8898]

Give me a bit, I got a backlog of revisions to work through

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

I highly doubt it since the whole premise of the Archangels was to build the Universe under Yahweh’s instruction Destiny, whom represents cause and effect, is one of the cornerstones in building Creation. Lucifer, as a Creator himself, mentioned how cause and effect are “useful tools” but they're not the foundation you build on. He's notioning the idea that predestination shouldn't be a need and since he explained to the Basanos “My Universe express my will” and Susano learned the rules of Lucifer's Universe are back in his order.

It's clear the Archangels have causality manipulation. Considering Michael literally has the power of God and the Angels state he can do an impossible task that they thought only God could do.

We're voting now. You can make a counter-CRT later if you want removed stuff added back.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

We're voting now. You can make a counter-CRT later if you want removed stuff added back.

The voting isn't done yet. I don't think they fully read the argument, they were being very generalized that the OP is decent.

It's clear some of them just say “this guy made more sense” without reading the actual argument because they trust person A usually over person B.

 

[Deagonx]

I'm still in agreement with Profectus and Lawyer.

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

Still think the OP is looking good mainly with ProteusInfinity's counter arguments to the counter arguments.

I'm still in agreement with Profectus and Lawyer.

I'm wondering how much more time I should give before we call this accepted.

 

[Deagonx]

I'm wondering how much more time I should give before we call this accepted.

I don't think there's any reason to delay further.

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

I don't think there's any reason to delay further.

Close this, then, and I'll apply what was agreed on.

• Brainiac (Post-Flashpoint), Death of the Endless, Delirium of the Endless, Desire of the Endless, Despair of the Endless, Destiny of the Endless, Destruction of the Endless, Dream of the Endless, Elaine Belloc, Glory of the First Circle, Jill Presto, Mazikeen, Michael Demiurgos, Swamp Thing (Classic), and The Great Darkness all have no justification for their Causality Manipulation at all, so all this should be axed.

• Lucifer Morningstar (DC Comics) has (The titans ascended to godhood and became immune to all forms of power other than their own, to defeat them Lucifer killed the titans before they had ascended to godhood, thus destroying the event of them ever becoming God[14]), which is just him changing history by killing someone in the past to kill them in the present and isn't a hax.

• Black Racer, Despair of the Endless, Destiny of the Endless, Gabriel Hornblower, Mandrakk the Dark Monitor, Nix Uotan, Pralaya (DC Comics), Rox Ogama, The Monitors (DC Comics), The Thought Robot, and Yuga Khan all have no justification for their Conceptual Manipulation at all, so all this should be axed.