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Hey everyone, how about adding some new abilities for Darkseid based on the proofs given? Unfortunately, I don’t yet know the exact name of the abilities and their type on the site, so I will give a general category of abilities.
Emanations:
The emanations of the New Gods contain entire universes in bubbles. (New gods v4) This is further consistent with the New Gods (even ordinary ones) being able to create entire universes in their hands. (Mister Miracle v3 #1)
Chronokinesis:
Falls in time intervals from present to past.
GM: No, the storyline in Mister Miracle happened around the same time as the events in Infinite Crisis.
As we’ll learn, when we see Darkseid’s ‘Fall’ from the world of the New Gods - as depicted in DCU #0 - he’s falling backwards through time. In DCU #0 we’re watching him fall back through the present, into the past of Seven Soldiers where he finally comes to rest in the body of ‘Boss Dark Side’, the gangster from that story. The implication is that Darkseid has been consolidating his power base on Earth, in a human body, since at least the time of Infinite Crisis. Only Shilo Norman AKA Mister Miracle has any real idea what’s going on but he’s seen as a crazy-ass showbiz loon who’s had a bizarre quasi-religious experience, so no-one takes him entirely seriously.
Can stop time and space where time and space does not exist, or simply ignore the character's timelessness (Genesis #4) Although this ability is written in Darkseid’s profile, it does not indicate ignoring the absence of space and time.
Omega beams are capable of blocking the timeline of a creature that has fallen under the Omega Force, thus it is impossible to get it from another time, view it, or in any way influence its time period. (Time masters #6)
Void Manipulation:
Can cause damage where space and time do not exist (Doctor Fate v2) The profile itself says that this is a spatial ability, but space doesn’t exist there, or am I wrong?
Narrative manipulation:
Destroys the very structure of history
Morrison: Final Crisis was much heavier, much harder to write than The Filth, which at least came with massive doses of surreal black humor to sweeten the bitter pill of the subject matter. On Final Crisis, I spent months immersing myself in the thought processes of an evil, dying God who longed for nothing less than the degradation, destruction and enslavement of all of DC's superheroes, along with every other living thing in the universe and beyond!
To get into his head, I had to consider people like him in the real world and there were no shortage of candidates. The emissaries of Darkseid seemed to be everywhere, intent on crushing hope, or shattering human self-esteem. I began to hear his voice in every magazine headline accusing some poor young girl of being too fat or too thin. Darkseid was there in the newscasters screaming financial disaster and planet-doom. It was that sick old bastard's voice terrifying children with his hopeless message of a canceled future, demanding old ladies turn off their electric blankets to help "save the planet," while turning a blind eye to corporate ecocide.
Up against that, all we had to offer were the wise words of Pico Della Mirandola and Superman singing a song to break your heart. I had to grind America's superheroes down so hard there was nothing left but diamond in the dark. Everything was falling into a black hole, even the story structure ... and fans on message boards were going to war over the thing, screaming "genius" and "gibberish" at one another. It was quite unpleasant to be at the heart of all that but also strangely exhilarating.
People like Superman are only part of the story
NRAMA: Big, big picture-wise, Superman knows he's part of the story, doesn't he? It's not something he shares with Lois over coffee, but after Final Crisis...he definitely knows, right?
GM: Superman understands his place within the levels and scales of the Multiverse and Beyond, certainly. He knows he’s part of ‘the story’ but not in the kind of ‘fourth wall’ breaking way of Animal Man, say. Superman knows he’s part of a much higher structure of nested realities, in the same way that I do. In his own dimension, his own world, he’s absolutely real, with a real life.
Not sure exactly. Perhaps beyond the concept of soul, empathic conceptual existences:
Gods are much larger, and much more terrible, than the concept of the soul. Darkseid is inside every being, because once we hold on to the negative access sources that characterize him.
NRAMA: In this new world, Dark Side implies that his body is wearing out….can you explain a little of how the gods are living? Do their souls inhabit human husks? Do they make human bodies from scratch? When their body is killed, do they move to another, or do they die (again)?
GM: When we decided to do a book about gods, we felt it was important to do think through what a ‘god’ actually is. Gods aren’t like souls, or ghosts, gods are much bigger and scarier than that.
You know, it’s like every single word culture developed is own pantheon of Gods -which unsurprisingly all share similar traits, like the Greek goddess of Love is Aphrodite, while the Voudon goddess of Love is Erezulie and the Norse goddess of Love is Freya and so on. Now, what you have to understand is this: our primitive forebears weren’t stupid and when they talked about gods what they were describing were ‘eternal qualities’. In a normal human lifetime, we become possessed by ‘gods‘ every day. When we fall in Love, we are possessed by Aphrodite, when we are witty and clever we are possessed by Hermes or Thoth, when angry we‘re possessed by Ogun or Tyr or Ares. We tend to call such possessions ’moods’. but even when we are not personally in love or angry, there is always Love and Anger in the world and those eternal wells of Love and Anger and the other ‘big’ qualities of the human emotional spectrum are what our ancestors personified and called ‘gods’. The ‘god’ in this case, being the timeless quality of ‘Love’ or ‘Anger’ that we can all tap into for a little while.
No-one was really ever suggesting that there is a real woman you can touch called Aphrodite, who lives on Mount Olympus - but the sum total of every single human experience of Love is what the Greeks called Aphrodite and the Celts called Brigit and so on. I hope that makes sense.
In the case of Darkseid and his diabolical court, we’re dealing with personifications of absolute negative qualities. We’ve all been possessed by Greed or Hatred in our lives but Darkseid and his pals are embodiments of the timeless qualities of Tyrannical Will or Sadism or Envy or whatever. So in the sense that we can be cruel, or ignorant, or hate people we’ve never met, we all have Darkseid or Desaad within us. It’s like the idea of being possessed by the Holy Spirit, except in this case they are Unholy Spirits and the Gods of Apokolips want us to replace all our good qualities with all our bad qualities so that we become vehicles for their evil intentions.
There’s always Greed in the world. There’s always Fear. And a lot of this ties into what Geoff’s doing in Green Lantern with the idea of the emotional spectrum. We’re creating a big mythology for the DC Universe and Final Crisis is intended to be a myth for the 21st century.
Beyond the concept of death (low level):
New gods exist above the Speed Force.
NRAMA: And towards the end of the issue - given their experiences, Flashes have an almost inherent higher understanding of time and dimensions as well as frequencies and vibrations...but we, as readers, don't. So where is Barry running in from at the end?
GM: Barry has been in the Speed Force, beyond life and death. Keep reading for the answers to these and other mysteries.
Wounds:
Regeneration Negation (High-Goldy)
New gods can inflict wounds that cannot be healed on a conceptual level.
Omega Sanction:
Conceptual manipulation + Memory manipulation+ Sensing Defense + Adaptation.
Can bypass conceptual defenses against the anti-life equation. The Anti-Life Equation Can disproving the Concept of Will. (Final crisis secret files)
Erases memory, and the victim of the New God level does not even understand that it is under sanction.
A being of the New God level is unable to recognize the sanction, even having eyes that can see fundamental forces. A trap that follows you wherever you are. Moving as you move
Adapts to any attempt to get out .(Mister Miracle seven soldiers)
Power:
I know Darkseid is listed as being comparable to Superman, but would it be nicer if it was described as Darkseid's personal achievement?
Darkseid and Superman rocked the entire solar system in their battle. (Batman and Superman #30)
Darkseid and Orion, in their battle, released the largest burst of energy ever seen since the Source created everything from nothing. (Superman and batman v3 #9) The Source, if we use its most minimal indication, created the universe. (Fourth world #1)
Single-handedly breaks through the barrier of a Source wall a billion miles wide and a million miles high.
Omega beams speed:
Omega's beams catch up with Flash, who is moving at the speed of light, at which time completely stops. And even at superluminal speed, which allows you to move through space and time. (Final crisis #7) When approaching the speed of light, even a second can last an eternity (Multiversity #2)
Based on this, I propose to give Darkseid's attacks infinite and immeasurable speed.
Tiger Force:
Metaphysical existence + existence in all things + omnipresence
Is the core of all things and is the nightmare of all beings in their dreams. (Forever people v3 #3) And again when you sleep, Darkseid comes in your dreams.(Mister Miracle v1 #22) Tiger force at the hearts of all creation. (New gods v4 #10) Every creature in Darkseid's domain is only a part of himself, let it be cells, soul, dreams, body, blood, skin, hair, every breath, every movement. (New gods v4 #11)
Either existing in dreams or manipulating dreams. (Legion of superheroes v4 #24)
Pyromancy:
Fried his subordinate. (DCU holiday bash #2) Burned through his beam. (Super powers v2 #1)
Telepathy:
Even with protection from telepathy, it won't help against Darkseid's level. (Action comics #593) Inserted a mental block into Desaad, squeezing his skull every time he thought. (Super powers v3 #1) Can focus someone else's mind, as was done with Tempest (Wonder woman v2 #173) Connected and made us feel all the fears and horrors of the Legion of Super-Heroes team (Legion of superheroes) Read Virman Vundabar's thoughts (Fourth world #19)
Statistics Amplification:
Capable of amplifying things a thousand times (Super power v2 #6)
Possibly erased from history:
Omega beams are capable of erasing an object from the pages ofcosmos
Possibly erasing beyond the concept of death
Darkseid is able to erase the Dregg, who do not understand the "dead" (New gods v3 #6)
Ilusions:
Cast upon himself illusions that only small children can recognize (Forever people v3 #4)
Cast illusions on Wonder Woman and Superman, causing them to fight each other (Action comics 600)
Possibly conceptual manipulation and death manipulation:
Driven away the Black Racer, death concept (Secret Society of Super Villains #5)
Extrasensory Perception:
Sensory + Clairvoyance
Hears Orion while in his citadel (New gods v3 #8)
Mind scans another galaxy (New gods v3 #9)
Felt an energy burst produced by the Black Racer (New gods v3 #19)
Looks through a person's soul (Mister Miracle v2 #19)
Opened a contemplative window to view current events (Legion of superheroes #22)
Revealed Superman's disguise + knows everything that happens on Apokolips (Superman v2 #109)
Reads empathic feelings (Justice league beyond #9)
Sees beyond known realities (Countdown #9)
Feels uneasy in the cosmic aura (Super powers v3 #2)
Feels the pain of the Source (Fourth world #19)
Feels the turmoil in the Source (Fourth world)
Duality:
Darkseid represents the dual opposite of light, darkness
Izaya and Darkseid are personifications of Yin and Yang, two opposites that cannot exist without each other. (The new gods 1995 issue #10)
Darkseid cannot be destroyed because the universe requires darkness to balance the balance (The new gods 1995 issue #6)
Darkseid's evil is necessary and important to the order of things (The new gods 1995 issue #6)
Auras:
Darkseid's presence kills New Gods in physical shells, possibly telekinesis (Final crisis #5)
Even the presence of an artificial projection of Darkseid can split matter (Legion of superheroes v6 #6)
The presence of the New Gods warps time and destroys the mind (Final crisis #4)
Presence creates darkness through which it is impossible to see with supervision (Legion of superheroes #291)
Mind Manipulation:
Darkseid's mental defenses are only disabled when unconscious (Superman darkside #3)
Each Dark God has psionic defenses that can protect against Deadman's influences (Lobo and Deadman #1)
Resistance to Extreme Heat:
Withstands the temperatureof the sun (Superman and Batman #13)
Supernatural Willpower:
Using sheer willpower, Darkseid can manifest himself throughout the universe while sealed in a spiritual limbo (Justice League of America #84)
Can this be used as liberation from duality?
Darkseid killed Izaya during the Crisis, but did not erase himself
NRAMA: Where are Highfather and the New Gods of New Genesis in all of this?
GM: Dead. Gone. Only Metron got away because, as Kirby wrote, Metron is ‘something — different! Something unforeseen!! On New Genesis — or here!!’ Metron, the god of science, is the key to the resistance in Final Crisis.
Source:
All the interviews I used here
https://vk.com/away.php?to=https://web.archive.org/we..
https://vk.com/away.php?to=https://web.archive.org/we..
https://vk.com/away.php?to=https://web.archive.org/we..
https://vk.com/away.php?to=https://web.archive.org/we..
https://vk.com/away.php?to=https://web.archive.org/we..
https://www.ign.com/articles/2009/02/03/inside-the-mi..
https://www.ign.com/articles/batman-grant-morrison-re..
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/final-crisis/4045-5164..
https://www.wired.com/2009/03/mid-life-crisis/
Emanations:
The emanations of the New Gods contain entire universes in bubbles. (New gods v4) This is further consistent with the New Gods (even ordinary ones) being able to create entire universes in their hands. (Mister Miracle v3 #1)
Chronokinesis:
Falls in time intervals from present to past.
GM: No, the storyline in Mister Miracle happened around the same time as the events in Infinite Crisis.
As we’ll learn, when we see Darkseid’s ‘Fall’ from the world of the New Gods - as depicted in DCU #0 - he’s falling backwards through time. In DCU #0 we’re watching him fall back through the present, into the past of Seven Soldiers where he finally comes to rest in the body of ‘Boss Dark Side’, the gangster from that story. The implication is that Darkseid has been consolidating his power base on Earth, in a human body, since at least the time of Infinite Crisis. Only Shilo Norman AKA Mister Miracle has any real idea what’s going on but he’s seen as a crazy-ass showbiz loon who’s had a bizarre quasi-religious experience, so no-one takes him entirely seriously.
Can stop time and space where time and space does not exist, or simply ignore the character's timelessness (Genesis #4) Although this ability is written in Darkseid’s profile, it does not indicate ignoring the absence of space and time.
Omega beams are capable of blocking the timeline of a creature that has fallen under the Omega Force, thus it is impossible to get it from another time, view it, or in any way influence its time period. (Time masters #6)
Void Manipulation:
Can cause damage where space and time do not exist (Doctor Fate v2) The profile itself says that this is a spatial ability, but space doesn’t exist there, or am I wrong?
Narrative manipulation:
Destroys the very structure of history
Morrison: Final Crisis was much heavier, much harder to write than The Filth, which at least came with massive doses of surreal black humor to sweeten the bitter pill of the subject matter. On Final Crisis, I spent months immersing myself in the thought processes of an evil, dying God who longed for nothing less than the degradation, destruction and enslavement of all of DC's superheroes, along with every other living thing in the universe and beyond!
To get into his head, I had to consider people like him in the real world and there were no shortage of candidates. The emissaries of Darkseid seemed to be everywhere, intent on crushing hope, or shattering human self-esteem. I began to hear his voice in every magazine headline accusing some poor young girl of being too fat or too thin. Darkseid was there in the newscasters screaming financial disaster and planet-doom. It was that sick old bastard's voice terrifying children with his hopeless message of a canceled future, demanding old ladies turn off their electric blankets to help "save the planet," while turning a blind eye to corporate ecocide.
Up against that, all we had to offer were the wise words of Pico Della Mirandola and Superman singing a song to break your heart. I had to grind America's superheroes down so hard there was nothing left but diamond in the dark. Everything was falling into a black hole, even the story structure ... and fans on message boards were going to war over the thing, screaming "genius" and "gibberish" at one another. It was quite unpleasant to be at the heart of all that but also strangely exhilarating.
People like Superman are only part of the story
NRAMA: Big, big picture-wise, Superman knows he's part of the story, doesn't he? It's not something he shares with Lois over coffee, but after Final Crisis...he definitely knows, right?
GM: Superman understands his place within the levels and scales of the Multiverse and Beyond, certainly. He knows he’s part of ‘the story’ but not in the kind of ‘fourth wall’ breaking way of Animal Man, say. Superman knows he’s part of a much higher structure of nested realities, in the same way that I do. In his own dimension, his own world, he’s absolutely real, with a real life.
Not sure exactly. Perhaps beyond the concept of soul, empathic conceptual existences:
Gods are much larger, and much more terrible, than the concept of the soul. Darkseid is inside every being, because once we hold on to the negative access sources that characterize him.
NRAMA: In this new world, Dark Side implies that his body is wearing out….can you explain a little of how the gods are living? Do their souls inhabit human husks? Do they make human bodies from scratch? When their body is killed, do they move to another, or do they die (again)?
GM: When we decided to do a book about gods, we felt it was important to do think through what a ‘god’ actually is. Gods aren’t like souls, or ghosts, gods are much bigger and scarier than that.
You know, it’s like every single word culture developed is own pantheon of Gods -which unsurprisingly all share similar traits, like the Greek goddess of Love is Aphrodite, while the Voudon goddess of Love is Erezulie and the Norse goddess of Love is Freya and so on. Now, what you have to understand is this: our primitive forebears weren’t stupid and when they talked about gods what they were describing were ‘eternal qualities’. In a normal human lifetime, we become possessed by ‘gods‘ every day. When we fall in Love, we are possessed by Aphrodite, when we are witty and clever we are possessed by Hermes or Thoth, when angry we‘re possessed by Ogun or Tyr or Ares. We tend to call such possessions ’moods’. but even when we are not personally in love or angry, there is always Love and Anger in the world and those eternal wells of Love and Anger and the other ‘big’ qualities of the human emotional spectrum are what our ancestors personified and called ‘gods’. The ‘god’ in this case, being the timeless quality of ‘Love’ or ‘Anger’ that we can all tap into for a little while.
No-one was really ever suggesting that there is a real woman you can touch called Aphrodite, who lives on Mount Olympus - but the sum total of every single human experience of Love is what the Greeks called Aphrodite and the Celts called Brigit and so on. I hope that makes sense.
In the case of Darkseid and his diabolical court, we’re dealing with personifications of absolute negative qualities. We’ve all been possessed by Greed or Hatred in our lives but Darkseid and his pals are embodiments of the timeless qualities of Tyrannical Will or Sadism or Envy or whatever. So in the sense that we can be cruel, or ignorant, or hate people we’ve never met, we all have Darkseid or Desaad within us. It’s like the idea of being possessed by the Holy Spirit, except in this case they are Unholy Spirits and the Gods of Apokolips want us to replace all our good qualities with all our bad qualities so that we become vehicles for their evil intentions.
There’s always Greed in the world. There’s always Fear. And a lot of this ties into what Geoff’s doing in Green Lantern with the idea of the emotional spectrum. We’re creating a big mythology for the DC Universe and Final Crisis is intended to be a myth for the 21st century.
Beyond the concept of death (low level):
New gods exist above the Speed Force.
NRAMA: And towards the end of the issue - given their experiences, Flashes have an almost inherent higher understanding of time and dimensions as well as frequencies and vibrations...but we, as readers, don't. So where is Barry running in from at the end?
GM: Barry has been in the Speed Force, beyond life and death. Keep reading for the answers to these and other mysteries.
Wounds:
Regeneration Negation (High-Goldy)
New gods can inflict wounds that cannot be healed on a conceptual level.
Omega Sanction:
Conceptual manipulation + Memory manipulation+ Sensing Defense + Adaptation.
Can bypass conceptual defenses against the anti-life equation. The Anti-Life Equation Can disproving the Concept of Will. (Final crisis secret files)
Erases memory, and the victim of the New God level does not even understand that it is under sanction.
A being of the New God level is unable to recognize the sanction, even having eyes that can see fundamental forces. A trap that follows you wherever you are. Moving as you move
Adapts to any attempt to get out .(Mister Miracle seven soldiers)
Power:
I know Darkseid is listed as being comparable to Superman, but would it be nicer if it was described as Darkseid's personal achievement?
Darkseid and Superman rocked the entire solar system in their battle. (Batman and Superman #30)
Darkseid and Orion, in their battle, released the largest burst of energy ever seen since the Source created everything from nothing. (Superman and batman v3 #9) The Source, if we use its most minimal indication, created the universe. (Fourth world #1)
Single-handedly breaks through the barrier of a Source wall a billion miles wide and a million miles high.
Omega beams speed:
Omega's beams catch up with Flash, who is moving at the speed of light, at which time completely stops. And even at superluminal speed, which allows you to move through space and time. (Final crisis #7) When approaching the speed of light, even a second can last an eternity (Multiversity #2)
Based on this, I propose to give Darkseid's attacks infinite and immeasurable speed.
Tiger Force:
Metaphysical existence + existence in all things + omnipresence
Is the core of all things and is the nightmare of all beings in their dreams. (Forever people v3 #3) And again when you sleep, Darkseid comes in your dreams.(Mister Miracle v1 #22) Tiger force at the hearts of all creation. (New gods v4 #10) Every creature in Darkseid's domain is only a part of himself, let it be cells, soul, dreams, body, blood, skin, hair, every breath, every movement. (New gods v4 #11)
Either existing in dreams or manipulating dreams. (Legion of superheroes v4 #24)
Pyromancy:
Fried his subordinate. (DCU holiday bash #2) Burned through his beam. (Super powers v2 #1)
Telepathy:
Even with protection from telepathy, it won't help against Darkseid's level. (Action comics #593) Inserted a mental block into Desaad, squeezing his skull every time he thought. (Super powers v3 #1) Can focus someone else's mind, as was done with Tempest (Wonder woman v2 #173) Connected and made us feel all the fears and horrors of the Legion of Super-Heroes team (Legion of superheroes) Read Virman Vundabar's thoughts (Fourth world #19)
Statistics Amplification:
Capable of amplifying things a thousand times (Super power v2 #6)
Possibly erased from history:
Omega beams are capable of erasing an object from the pages ofcosmos
Possibly erasing beyond the concept of death
Darkseid is able to erase the Dregg, who do not understand the "dead" (New gods v3 #6)
Ilusions:
Cast upon himself illusions that only small children can recognize (Forever people v3 #4)
Cast illusions on Wonder Woman and Superman, causing them to fight each other (Action comics 600)
Possibly conceptual manipulation and death manipulation:
Driven away the Black Racer, death concept (Secret Society of Super Villains #5)
Extrasensory Perception:
Sensory + Clairvoyance
Hears Orion while in his citadel (New gods v3 #8)
Mind scans another galaxy (New gods v3 #9)
Felt an energy burst produced by the Black Racer (New gods v3 #19)
Looks through a person's soul (Mister Miracle v2 #19)
Opened a contemplative window to view current events (Legion of superheroes #22)
Revealed Superman's disguise + knows everything that happens on Apokolips (Superman v2 #109)
Reads empathic feelings (Justice league beyond #9)
Sees beyond known realities (Countdown #9)
Feels uneasy in the cosmic aura (Super powers v3 #2)
Feels the pain of the Source (Fourth world #19)
Feels the turmoil in the Source (Fourth world)
Duality:
Darkseid represents the dual opposite of light, darkness
Izaya and Darkseid are personifications of Yin and Yang, two opposites that cannot exist without each other. (The new gods 1995 issue #10)
Darkseid cannot be destroyed because the universe requires darkness to balance the balance (The new gods 1995 issue #6)
Darkseid's evil is necessary and important to the order of things (The new gods 1995 issue #6)
Auras:
Darkseid's presence kills New Gods in physical shells, possibly telekinesis (Final crisis #5)
Even the presence of an artificial projection of Darkseid can split matter (Legion of superheroes v6 #6)
The presence of the New Gods warps time and destroys the mind (Final crisis #4)
Presence creates darkness through which it is impossible to see with supervision (Legion of superheroes #291)
Mind Manipulation:
Darkseid's mental defenses are only disabled when unconscious (Superman darkside #3)
Each Dark God has psionic defenses that can protect against Deadman's influences (Lobo and Deadman #1)
Resistance to Extreme Heat:
Withstands the temperatureof the sun (Superman and Batman #13)
Supernatural Willpower:
Using sheer willpower, Darkseid can manifest himself throughout the universe while sealed in a spiritual limbo (Justice League of America #84)
Can this be used as liberation from duality?
Darkseid killed Izaya during the Crisis, but did not erase himself
NRAMA: Where are Highfather and the New Gods of New Genesis in all of this?
GM: Dead. Gone. Only Metron got away because, as Kirby wrote, Metron is ‘something — different! Something unforeseen!! On New Genesis — or here!!’ Metron, the god of science, is the key to the resistance in Final Crisis.
Source:
All the interviews I used here
https://vk.com/away.php?to=https://web.archive.org/we..
https://vk.com/away.php?to=https://web.archive.org/we..
https://vk.com/away.php?to=https://web.archive.org/we..
https://vk.com/away.php?to=https://web.archive.org/we..
https://vk.com/away.php?to=https://web.archive.org/we..
https://www.ign.com/articles/2009/02/03/inside-the-mi..
https://www.ign.com/articles/batman-grant-morrison-re..
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/final-crisis/4045-5164..
https://www.wired.com/2009/03/mid-life-crisis/
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