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[ZillertheBucko]

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Guess I’ll start with this

Does anybody have a link to the Murata quote about his statements being his opinion?

 

[Recon1511]

Saitama literally remembers the murder mystery OVA where Zombieman was "killed".

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I have the physical volume and it seems that was removed in a redraw

 

[Recon1511]

This is the official Viz scan, it doesn't reference the OVA as directly as it did before

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Rest in piece Suiryu

 

[Ped2018]

Rest in piss Suiryu

Fixed

 

[Epiccheev]

Common Suiryu L

 

[Epiccheev]

Did the wiki do anything for April Fools this time around?

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Did the wiki do anything for April Fools this time around?

They made Tatsumaki stronger than Geryuganshoop

 

[Epiccheev]

We should make Ziller a mod

 

[ZillertheBucko]

We should make Ziller a mod

If I do I would become corrupted and lose my ability to represent the (sort of) common opm supporter

 

[LordTracer]

We should make Ziller a mod

 

[AnimesFreak2]

lmao

 

[ByAsura]

Does anyone else think that there are grounds to scale Melzalgald to Geryuganshoop?

Melz definitely scales to Geryu.

I'm actually not sure why we don't scale them, now that I think about it.

Or maybe we can scale Bang to the meteor through confidence scaling.

He said Saitama was many times stronger than him for destroying it, so definitely not.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Melz definitely scales to Geryu.

me when I can't access any of these links

 

[Pepsiman25th]

me when I can't access any of these links

boros stuff

 

[ByAsura]

where my suiryu Garou scaling at then

That line of reasoning was completely destroyed some time ago. I'll try to find it.

Edit: Here.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

boros stuff

this could be very important actually
I need someone to post the things asura sent, but as media so I can actually see them

 

[ByAsura]

I'll repost them in a sec.

 

[ByAsura]

They're the top combatants, and Boros wanted them to face Saitama together.

Geryu said that killing Gror is impossible.

After Gror died, Geryu was desperately contacting Melz to help him kill Saitama.

This implies they're at least somewhat comparable. It also shows that Geryu's confidence later was just complete arrogance rather than anything substantial.

 

[Kachon123]

Gloryverse

 

[LordTracer]

Gloryverse

Gotta love those old translations.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

They're the top combatants, and Boros wanted them to face Saitama together.

Geryu said that killing Gror is impossible.

After Gror died, Geryu was desperately contacting Melz to help him kill Saitama.

This implies they're at least somewhat comparable. It also shows that Geryu's confidence later was just complete arrogance rather than anything substantial.

Yeah
Only merged Melza though, since it’s pretty much stated that he has never lost a head until the fight
Plus the Boros thing is after saitama had broken 23% of the ship which is where the lesser high 6-A scaling is gonna come from, so….

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Gloryverse

just realized geluganshp is a thing

 

[ByAsura]

Ok, I didn't want to address this at first, but I feel I have to.

My next project is to attempt to scale Geryuganshoop above Tatsumaki, since there is more than sufficient evidence at this point

It's one statement from an outdated databook that's filled to the brim with hyperbole.

Also, as I showed, Geryu was ******** himself, and Boros immediately wanted all 3 combatants on hand after learning that Saitama damaged 23% of the ship's systems. Later, the best his TK does is maybe pop a few bits of rubble.

If we also agree that Melz ~ Geryu, then Geryu wanted an artillery barrage to deal with with the S-Class that were shown blocking his glancing blows.

Compare this to Tatsumaki, who was ******* up the ship with far superior power to the artillery and deflecting said artillery.

Also I think I also am gonna ask for a csrc recalc given how unreasonably lowballed it is

It's literally melting the entire crust of the planet when the words 'shave' and 'incinerate' (both lower values calculation-wise) are only ever spoken in canon. It's already bullshit as it is, especially when the whole idea was actually based on evidence that mostly shows fragmentation rather than melting.

Apparently the actual energy it would take to make an explosion that wipes the earth surface is greater than what the csrc was calced at, which seems pretty obviously downplayish given that the csrc should be treated as if it were an explosion like all of Boros’ other energy releases act as, especially since the csrc is explicitly stated to be Boros just releasing all his energy, so it’s a justified recalc.

This means literally nothing without some sort of comparative value. Why does Boros releasing all of his energy mean it should be greater than melting the surface of the planet?

 

[TimmyTurnero]

How about we talk about something that affects the scaling?

Genos first key has unknown speed scaling.
He could destroy the mosquito swarm in 3 frames using the anime, which would be 4,000 m/s but giving the weird animation we could use 1s which would be 500 m/s.
Supersonic to Hypersonic+ attack speed. Better than nothing.

 

[ByAsura]

It's also worth noting that the mosquitos covered 50 km in a few minutes, or something.

I think there's an official length for the Genos and Mosquito Girl fight in the databook.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

It's one statement from an outdated databook that's filled to the brim with hyperbole.

Well it's not outdated unless it's retconned, it's still completely useable evidence regardless, since it is canon. While it does have hyperbole perhaps like "tatsumaki can move all creation" or "atomic samurai can cut between atoms" that's still completely different from something where it's just "this character is stronger than these other characters (psychics)"
there is a difference between hyperbole and straight up telling the exact opposite of the truth, so there's a burden of proof here that would need to render the statement invalid

Also, as I showed, Geryu was ******** himself, and Boros immediately wanted all 3 combatants on hand after learning that Saitama damaged 23% of the ship's systems. Later, the best his TK does is maybe pop a few bits of rubble.

(I still can't access those links)
and yes, this means geryuganshoop likely scales to the high 6-A value from the moon jump. Point is, destroying rubble isn't an anti feat anyways.

If we also agree that Melz ~ Geryu, then Geryu wanted an artillery barrage to deal with with the S-Class that were shown blocking his glancing blows.

Compare this to Tatsumaki, who was ******* up the ship with far superior power to the artillery and deflecting said artillery.

I agree, which is why it is merged melzargard only, since when his heads are split he is significantly weakened. Split melzargard is nowhere near that level and would continue scaling to high 7-C or whatever

This means literally nothing without some sort of comparative value. Why does Boros releasing all of his energy mean it should be greater than melting the surface of the planet?

His energy attacks are shown to explode and melt things, so it's kinda just that there would have to be a really hot explosion rather than just like a purely heat based ray spreading across earth's surface, which is why it's too big of a lowball

 

[ZillertheBucko]

For what it's worth, the melzargard thing was a concern of mine as well, and if there were real proof that the split forms would scale to high 6-A, then I'd probably just throw out my scaling
but for now, the idea is just that it would only apply to merged melza

 

[Kachon123]

He could destroy the mosquito swarm in 3 frames using the anime, which would be 4,000 m/s but giving the weird animation we could use 1s which would be 500 m/s.

I think using the anime frames works

 

[ZillertheBucko]

on another note, whenever I'm on my pc, no matter what I do cubri always seems to do this to me
https://cdn.**********.com/attachments/844777414596755475/1091928794727731251/image.png
anybody know how to fix this?

 

[ByAsura]

Well it's not outdated unless it's retconned

Which it has been extensively.

there is a difference between hyperbole and straight up telling the exact opposite of the truth, so there's a burden of proof here that would need to render the statement invalid

Welp, Murata's statements combined with actual feats certainly seem like good proof.

(I still can't access those links)

I've already given you those Geryu links. As for Tats damaging the ship, I don't think I need to.

and yes, this means geryuganshoop likely scales to the high 6-A value from the moon jump.

Via not even visually destroying a few tiny bits of rubble that are thousands of times smaller than even the smallest version of the crater made by the moon jump, let alone the fact that said Moon Jump almost overwhelmed the gravity core.

**** no.

Point is, destroying rubble isn't an anti feat anyways.

I didn't say it was, I said that his feats and statements when it comes to damaging the ship are far below Tatsumaki.

I agree, which is why it is merged melzargard only, since when his heads are split he is significantly weakened. Split melzargard is nowhere near that level and would continue scaling to high 7-C or whatever

This was both split and unsplit Mel.

His energy attacks are shown to explode and melt things, so it's kinda just that there would have to be a really hot explosion rather than just like a purely heat based ray spreading across earth's surface, which is why it's too big of a lowball

His attacks are also shown to fragment things.

Treating it as a hot explosion wouldn't change anything, even given the fact that he was dozens of kilometres in the air. I've asked.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

I'd like to point out that the same databook also calls Tatsumaki "the most confident and strongest esper ever" (i.e. Tatsumaki > Geryuganshoop)

 

[ByAsura]

Genos first key has unknown speed scaling.
He could destroy the mosquito swarm in 3 frames using the anime, which would be 4,000 m/s but giving the weird animation we could use 1s which would be 500 m/s.
Supersonic to Hypersonic+ attack speed. Better than nothing.

I'll definitely look into this.

 

[ByAsura]

On second thought, Genos does scale to the speed of his beams, but I don't think there's ever an example of him being comparable to the explosions they create.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Which it has been extensively.

elaborate

Welp, Murata's statements combined with actual feats certainly seem like good proof.

Murata's statements don't really hold weight since they're not really canon, and the "feats" (assuming you mean tatsumaki's) are just things that geryu would scale above

Via not even visually destroying a few tiny bits of rubble that are thousands of times smaller than even the smallest version of the crater made by the moon jump, let alone the fact that said Moon Jump almost overwhelmed the gravity core.

**** no.

well the main thing is the confidence scaling, him completely shattering the rubble into dust is just support, but both boros and geryu were confident that the generals could take saitama after he destroyed 23% of the ship
geryu in particular fought saitama immediately after he busted a massive hole (bigger than the dent the moon jump made) into the throne room
the point of the rubble feat is just so nobody can say "well he wasn't able to blow up the rubble so there's no way he can be high 6-A", I do realize that people wouldn't accept it by itself
although I'd think that the rubble feat by itself would warrant perhaps an Unknown rating at least, or "at most high 6-A" or something along those lines, or a likely far higher or something

This was both split and unsplit Mel.

what are you referring to?

His attacks are also shown to fragment things.

Treating it as a hot explosion wouldn't change anything, even given the fact that he was dozens of kilometres in the air. I've asked.

Not a calc guy so you'll have to forgive my ignorance but
what about that inverse square thingy? Wouldn't destroying the surface while on the other side of the planet be much harder than what it was calced at if it's via an explosion?

 

[ZillertheBucko]

I'd like to point out that the same databook also calls Tatsumaki "the most confident and strongest esper ever" (i.e Tatsumaki > Geryuganshoop)

well that's ******* annoying
guess I'll actually have to go through with the ******* Borochi bullshit that I've dreaded for all this time

 

[ByAsura]

I guess there's no point, but I'll respond a final time.

well the main thing is the confidence scaling, him completely shattering the rubble into dust is just support, but both boros and geryu were confident that the generals could take saitama after he destroyed 23% of the ship

He didn't destroy 23% of the ship, he damaged it internally over the course of minutes. And even at that level he knew Gror got wiped in seconds.

geryu in particular fought saitama immediately after he busted a massive hole (bigger than the dent the moon jump made) into the throne room

A) Tatsumaki did way more, B) Geryu himself was ******** himself over Saitama's power earlier. This is bullshit confidence, as we discussed earlier.

what are you referring to?

You said that the S-Class were fighting unsplit Melz. It was his split and unsplit forms that had trouble and were getting their attacks blocked.

what about that inverse square thingy? Wouldn't destroying the surface while on the other side of the planet be much harder than what it was calced at if it's via an explosion?

Inverse square law isn't used for explosions, it's used for people who withstand explosions.

 

[Kachon123]

On second thought, Genos does scale to the speed of his beams, but I don't think there's ever an example of him being comparable to the explosions they create.

He's able to somewhat outpace his explosions here

 

[ByAsura]

That doesn't look like he's outpacing his own explosions.

If anything, it looks like his explosions have already formed before Genos and AC move to another area.

 

[Pepsiman25th]

I been reading up on the profiles for saitama and reading the Manga
I think his parallel timeline current powers are listed wrong or need to be corrected
Its power mimicry or at least a possible power mimicry