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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!

Arceus0x said:
so people wanted to know just how powerful would Saitama's punch would be if compared to serious sneeze. It is a fun game for thought so i'll try it out.
A sneeze is 4.5 m/s. A sneeze is basically you inhaling air and the sneezing it out with your mucus and so let's use that. People say that you inhale about 600ml of air in one breath or 0.0006m^3. The density is 1.225 kg/m^3 so 1.225*0.0006 is 0.000735kg. This gives us an estimate of approximately 0.00744188 joules. Experts can deliver punches that are 400 joules of energy. This gives us a difference of 53749.8589066x. Now for the serious sneeze. The serious sneeze is 1.45*10^42 joules
meaning that the punch would be 7.7937295e+46 joules or 4-B
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But the sneeze shown in the Manga is obviously faster, as it reaches Jupiter from Io in an instant.
 
Intruvious said:
But the sneeze shown in the Manga is obviously faster, as it reaches Jupiter from Io in an instant.
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That would be accounted for in the serious sneeze's own calculation though.

This is a theoretical scaling based on how much stronger Saitama's punch would be compared to the calculation of the serious sneeze if the differences are likened to that of normal humans.
 
ByAsura said:
It used to.
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Thier is no small galaxy tier so Saitama should get a 4A 3C possibly 3B rating
Iam talking about galaxy tier because of the size of void thier are galaxy exist that size is same as that void we can't just scale a character based on just our galaxy size milky Way cause thier are far more smaller galaxy exist which literally so smaller then milky Way
 
We can easily get a 3C Saitama very easily since thier is no tier as small galaxy or large galaxy all galaxy are counted same so 3C Saitama seems pretty fine to me and possibly 3B because we are just assuming that void destroyed more then just one galaxy billions of stars cause we can't see anything in that directions
 
Maverick_Zero_X said:
Since Garou surpassed Saitama's earlier levels does this mean he could've had a shot at winning if Saitama weren't having an upsurge of emotions from Genos' death?

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No, he only grew that much because he was copying Saitama’s growth. That was the whole point. It wasn’t just that Saitama was outgrowing him, it was that Garou could only match him a set time interval after he’d copied him before (which would have to be Saitama’s punches since Garou can only copy strength that has existed in the universe before). This was why it was important that the curve was exponential, if it wasn’t then Garou wouldn’t have been at risk; however because the curve was constantly getting steeper the delay meant that the gap between Saitama and Garou would keep widening over time, so that Saitama would eventually become strong enough to one shot Garou (cause funnily enough Saitama never actually did get to a level 7.5x beyond Garou).
 
Dienomite22 said:
It's kinda weird Saitama said he didn't feel anything in his fight with Garou on 167 but then suddenly is getting stronger due to emotion even though it kinda seems like he returns to being completely playful and kinda his normal self at the moment of the sneeze which continues until the end of the chapter.

Didn't earlier translations of the graph page say he was just growing from fighting someone comparable to him rather than it being based on emotions?

If not, possible explanations could be that:

A) Saitama returns to his emotionless nonchalant normal self the moment he reaches a level far beyond his opponent.

B) Saitama has a funny way of showing his emotion (Unlikely considering how he was acting post-Genut and pre-sneeze)

C) ONErata forgor 💀 Saitama was supposed to be angry

D) Saitama easily lets things go

E) There was possibly a mistranslation of the graph page

If A or D is true, Garou should've been able to copy Satiama's power post-sneeze since Saitama would no longer be exponentially outgrowing him due to emotion, shouldn't he?
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Lol he wasn’t being playful or anything, he was taunting Garou cause he hated him. He only decided to spare Garou cause he saw Tareo’s dead body.
 
It could be possible that Saitama’s durability is way higher than his overall strength, or he could be straight up invulnerable.

Even when the graph showed Garou and Saitama as equals, Garou could never actually harm him, whereas Saitama could certainly harm Garou and absolutely bully him.
 
Tago238 said:
No, he only grew that much because he was copying Saitama’s growth. That was the whole point. It wasn’t just that Saitama was outgrowing him, it was that Garou could only match him a set time interval after he’d copied him before (which would have to be Saitama’s punches since Garou can only copy strength that has existed in the universe before).
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As seen in dots 3, 4 and 6-7 on the graph Garou was not just matching him, but becoming stronger than Saitama's previous limits.

Garou doesn't just copy powers and abilities but also builds on them.
 
AtomicSekiro said:
It could be possible that Saitama’s durability is way higher than his overall strength, or he could be straight up invulnerable.

Even when the graph showed Garou and Saitama as equals, Garou could never actually harm him, whereas Saitama could certainly harm Garou and absolutely bully him.
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Apparently, he bled from the nose. Even if there are people who say that he was talking about his clothes.
 
CosmicWreck said:
As seen in dots 3, 4 and 6-7 on the graph Garou was not just matching him, but becoming stronger than Saitama's previous limits.

Garou doesn't just copy powers and abilities but also builds on them.
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Not that it’s relevant to my original point to begin with but I only see the difference on dot 6 ngl.
 
Tago238 said:
Not that it’s relevant to my original point to begin with
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Maverick inquired whether, if Saitama's strong emotions didn't make him more powerful, if Garou would have defeated him.

That was the question.

Your comment, which stated that Garou's strength to the degree shown was due to just copying Saitama's power, not only doesn't answer the question in a proper fashion and thus is meaningless as Saitama's growth wasn't taken into consideration in the question but in fact was completely removed from the equation, but also wrong.

Since Garou not only copies people but also increases the power of what he copies with his own efforts, even if he didn't grow to that extent he still would have won which is the actual, relevant question.
 
ByAsura said:
4-A was agreed on.
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I have a question on this. Is it possible if Saitama's 4-A tier could be multiplied by 2 post amp? When the fight first started, Garou was able to tank thousands of bloodlusted attacks from Saitama. After Saitama's permanent amp, he traveled to the past and oneshot Cosmic Garou with a casual punch. Shouldn't that mean he is, at the absolute minimum, 2x stronger than himself pre amp?
 
Hello wonderful people! It's been a while since I've seen this thread and I'm certainly not going to read more than 30 pages of discussion, so could someone summarize for me what happened?
 
Swerzye29038 said:
I have a question on this. Is it possible if Saitama's 4-A tier could be multiplied by 2 post Cosmic Garou? When the fight first started, Garou was able to tank thousands of bloodlusted attacks from Saitama. After Saitama's permanent amp, he traveled to the past and oneshot cosmic Garou. Shouldn't that mean he is, at the absolute minimum, 2x stronger than he was when the fight started?
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Saitama was never trying to kill Garou. So, I don't think he had any bloodlust.
 
Intruvious said:
X to doubt. Might've would be more appropriate here.
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If you think otherwise please give your reason. Otherwise I see no reason to change it as it was an opinionated question anyway.
Intruvious said:
And that isn't phrased properly as a question, so it's a bit confusing.
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The user was commenting on Maverick's graph comment. That was the question I was referring to.

Since Garou surpassed Saitama's earlier levels does this mean he could've had a shot at winning if Saitama weren't having an upsurge of emotions from Genos' death?
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Swerzye29038 said:
Saitama was almost certainly bloodlusted lmao
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He, himself, states he never tried to kill him because it was the kid's final request.


bloodlust /ˈblʌdˌlʌst/ noun
Britannica Dictionary definition of BLOODLUST
[noncount]

: the desire to kill or to see people killed
  • soldiers inflamed by bloodlust
 
CosmicWreck said:
If you think otherwise please give your reason. Otherwise I see no reason to change it as it was an opinionated question anyway.
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As others have already stated, there could've been other reasons for him to fight. To assume that he would sit around twiddling his thumbs and not grow (especially since he was stronger than Garou when it all began), even if from the fear of death, would be disingenuous.
 
Maverick_Zero_X said:
Meanwhile Saitama is the fastest character in the series by a wide margin and gets hit by characters far slower than him all the time due to being casual
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He actually lets it happen though. He wants to see what his opponent can do.
Coomandar said:
then do it again, i'll surely support you.
i hate lowballs
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I will once I find the OG thread with the evidence in it.
It was pretty much one of the members of the monster association saying that rank in the association was directly linked to raw, destructive, power, which would scale characters to at least Mountain Level. Now that I think about it, maybe even Low 6B seeing as Hellfire Flame and Gale Wind were Cadre level.
 
CosmicWreck said:
Maverick inquired whether, if Saitama's strong emotions didn't make him more powerful, if Garou would have defeated him.

That was the question.

Your comment, which stated that Garou's strength to the degree shown was due to just copying Saitama's power, not only doesn't answer the question in a proper fashion and thus is meaningless as Saitama's growth wasn't taken into consideration in the question but in fact was completely removed from the equation, but also wrong.

Since Garou not only copies people but also increases the power of what he copies with his own efforts, even if he didn't grow to that extent he still would have won which is the actual, relevant question.
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Tough week buddy?

The reason I commented was because Mav specifically pointed to the fact that Garou became 65x stronger than Saitama at the beginning of the fight in a short time frame, my point was that he only became that strong cause he was copying Saitama and went into detail about how this fit into the fight. This is something that I’m allowed to respond to and comment on lol cause the actual question was “using this argument is this conclusion justified?” not “is this conclusion justified?”.

Anyway in relation to the aCTuAl QUesTioN I’d just argue that the statement you linked is only referring to skill and not only does Saitama upscale in terms of skill copying, he also upscales via casual reactive evolution anyway (since he’s clearly shown to have broken his limiter to a greater extent than Garou).
 
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Tago238 said:
The reason I commented was because Mav specifically pointed to the fact that Garou became 65x stronger than Saitama at the beginning of the fight in a short time frame, my point was that he only became that strong cause he was copying Saitama and went into detail about how this fit into the fight. This is something that I’m allowed to respond to and comment on lol cause the actual question was “using this argument is this conclusion justified?” not “is this conclusion justified?”.
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Fair.
Tago238 said:
Anyway in relation to the aCTuAl QUesTioN I’d just argue that the statement you linked is only referring to skill
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Then take this better one. Refinement of power, not just skill. Garou always meant to outperform Saitama, not just match him.
Tago238 said:
he also upscales via casual reactive evolution anyway (since he’s clearly shown to have broken his limiter to a greater extent than Garou).
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Scaling like that doesn't really make sense since Garou's limiter wasn't really mentioned as a factor of the fight. He was mostly relying on god's power,
 
Cryo123 said:
It was pretty much one of the members of the monster association saying that rank in the association was directly linked to raw, destructive, power, which would scale characters to at least Mountain Level. Now that I think about it, maybe even Low 6B seeing as Hellfire Flame and Gale Wind were Cadre level.
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Well, there's this but it specifically states that any references to raw power as a means of ranking is not supported so....
 
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