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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!

CosmicWreck said:
That explains why no one specifies when the speeds reach those levels.
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Simple. Infinite speed is any distance within 0 time or an infinite distance within a finite timeframe. Infinity divided by anything is still infinity, so at this point infinite travel speed would undeniably scale to reactions and combat speeds since your body parts and your head would need to cope travelling that fast unlike with other lower speeds where you don't need to move remotely as fast to change trajectory (Unless of course the story says flight speed is equal to combat speed and reactions).

Immeasurable is being able to travel to any point in time as easily as rolling your eyes from left to right with sheer speed alone (Without using any other bullshit time travel powers) or being completely beyond linear time itself i.e. you exist on a higher level of existence than time and thus are no longer under its control. Examples like this include landing an attack well before it is even struck, and dodging an attack that has already been landed, or literally bunny hopping from one point in the past to another point in the future just by casually side-stepping and somesuch.

CosmicWreck said:
If that's what we do, then that's what we do, but I don't agree with it.

Saying someone could per se, run towards the beginning of the big bang simply because they were able to tag an object or person traveling only a few minutes from the future (or to say that they too can thus travel a few minutes into the future) is kind of a no limits fallacy.
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That's how Immeasurable speed works, if you're doing it with sheer speed and don't have bullshit time travel powers. Characters get immeasurable speed just by running through time itself, just ask the Flash.

Immeasurable speed should by default grant you time travel but time travel doesn't necessarily mean you get immeasurable speed.
 
Sure I guess. It’s just seemed weird to me, considering he said that he can’t give it enough distance and they appear. But whatever, I don’t mind.
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
Also it seems that Garou's portal range seems to have a limit as he needed to be in relative proximity to Earth in order to travel there.

For speed, I think it's best we calculate Saitama sneezing from Io all the way to the point he could see Earth in the distance, or we can use the Io ping pong thing.

AFAIK, most are seemingly leaning to 4-A. GOD shouldn't have a physical rating atm, but he should haven an "At least 4-A" AP via him granting Garou a fraction of his power and casually killing and taking them away. I guess he should also have deconstruction and life manipulation.

Blast with his spatial manip could hold Saitama's and Garou's 4-A attack for a limited amount of time., I think that Blast should get "At most 4-A with Spatial Manipulation" since this is a feat he did with hax and not physically. He should scale to both Saitama and Garou in speed as he was able to take an early cosmic Garou by surprise as well as activate his powers before Saitama and Garou could punch each other.

I'd say rating would be like

GOD: At least 4-A

Blast: 5-A, possibly High 4-C. At most 4-A with Spatial Manipulation

Saitama: 4-A, higher with Reactive Evolution

Garou: 5-A, possibly High 4-C, up to 4-A with Power Mimicry, higher with Reactive Evolution

I'll add more later on as I'm a bit busy atm.
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Just pointing it is higher with accelerated development, not Reactive Evolution
 
Garou's Time Travel technique allows him to move back in time by manipulating antiparticles, which in some interpretations of Quantum Mechanics are moving backwards through time.

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Antiparticle - Wikipedia

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Positron - Wikipedia

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This is explained in the chapter itself, albeit it's confusing since it's a rather specific scientific reference
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
Also it seems that Garou's portal range seems to have a limit as he needed to be in relative proximity to Earth in order to travel there.

For speed, I think it's best we calculate Saitama sneezing from Io all the way to the point he could see Earth in the distance, or we can use the Io ping pong thing.

AFAIK, most are seemingly leaning to 4-A. GOD shouldn't have a physical rating atm, but he should haven an "At least 4-A" AP via him granting Garou a fraction of his power and casually killing and taking them away. I guess he should also have deconstruction and life manipulation.

Blast with his spatial manip could hold Saitama's and Garou's 4-A attack for a limited amount of time., I think that Blast should get "At most 4-A with Spatial Manipulation" since this is a feat he did with hax and not physically. He should scale to both Saitama and Garou in speed as he was able to take an early cosmic Garou by surprise as well as activate his powers before Saitama and Garou could punch each other.

I'd say rating would be like

GOD: At least 4-A

Blast: 5-A, possibly High 4-C. At most 4-A with Spatial Manipulation

Saitama: 4-A, higher with Reactive Evolution

Garou: 5-A, possibly High 4-C, up to 4-A with Power Mimicry, higher with Reactive Evolution

I'll add more later on as I'm a bit busy atm.
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Saitama's and Garou's punches clashing resulted in a Punch², suggesting their regular Serious Punch is much weaker:
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Does Saitama have Reactive Evolution (developing new abilities/resistances in response to opponent) or just Accelerated Development (becoming faster/stronger)?
 
ShadowWhoWalks said:
Saitama's and Garou's punches clashing resulted in a Punch², suggesting their regular Serious Punch is much weaker:
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I'm pretty sure that's just a fancy attack name. Both should scale to half of the attack since both of them contributed to it.
 
HammerStrikes219 said:
Also it isn’t immeasurable, it is technically infinite speed.
“Infinite Speed (Able to travel any finite distance in zero time, or move an infinite distance within a finite amount of time. Teleportation does not count. For further information, see the "Further Explanations"-section below.)
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technically it wouldn't be moving in zero time, it'd be moving in an infinitely small amount of time
moving in zero time would make you immeasurable or whatever, since if you move 5 miles in 0 amount of time you're going 5/0 mph, which is dividing by zero obv
 
ZillertheBucko said:
https://cdn.**********.com/attachments/844777414596755475/999520246421536890/unknown.png
I know that it's not practical for the profile, but just asking for a favor here, I want the pure math for what the equation would be for saitama's line, assuming every square was just 1 second
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bump
 
also this proves that saitama was at least 16 times stronger at the end of the fight, even if we never are able to use his exponential AD on the profile (which is kinda downplay but whatever)
 
https://cdn.**********.com/attachments/917231040341364756/999455335674810469/page_59.png
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Also regarding this chapter, what the hell did I just witness?
 
Maverick_Zero_X said:
Depends on which interpretation we go with;
  1. "Future Saitama and Present Saitama merged" = He's still 4-A
  2. "Saitama only became 4-A later in the fight and his 4-A future self was erased from existence" = No 4-A
  3. "Saitama was 4-A at the start of the fight long before his explosive growth" = He's still 4-A
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the 4-A feat was before the accelerated development so still 4-A
 
I think we can render either of these full body shots

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KLOL506 said:
Simple. Infinite speed is any distance within 0 time or an infinite distance within a finite timeframe. Infinity divided by anything is still infinity, so at this point infinite travel speed would undeniably scale to reactions and combat speeds since your body parts and your head would need to cope travelling that fast unlike with other lower speeds where you don't need to move remotely as fast to change trajectory (Unless of course the story says flight speed is equal to combat speed and reactions).

Immeasurable is being able to travel to any point in time as easily as rolling your eyes from left to right with sheer speed alone (Without using any other bullshit time travel powers) or being completely beyond linear time itself i.e. you exist on a higher level of existence than time and thus are no longer under its control. Examples like this include landing an attack well before it is even struck, and dodging an attack that has already been landed, or literally bunny hopping from one point in the past to another point in the future just by casually side-stepping and somesuch.


That's how Immeasurable speed works, if you're doing it with sheer speed and don't have bullshit time travel powers. Characters get immeasurable speed just by running through time itself, just ask the Flash.

Immeasurable speed should by default grant you time travel but time travel doesn't necessarily mean you get immeasurable speed.
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Thank you for informing me.
Emirp sumitpo said:
Most people are seemingly in favor of 4-A, but some are still arguing for 3-C it seems
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HammerStrikes219 said:
With @KLOL506, @Therefir, and @Qawsedf234 being in favor of 4A, also it is technically 3C
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3-C, then.
 
ZillertheBucko said:
bump
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(It ended being far easier than what I thought lmao)
Ok, first of all I'll make some assumptions:

*Saitama's 1st black point is his full power before any grow
*Saitama's full power is baseline 4-A (2.008x10^57J)
*Saitama's 1st Black point is at 1/5 of the 1st concrete value of Y (idk if it has a concrete name in english, sorry)
*The function is constant (it feels like it isn't)

Since 2.008x10^57J is 1/5 of 1st Y value, 1st Y value is 10^58J

Saitama reaches such value at x=5s (assuming what you said: every square is 1s)

It is an exponential function, and since it's only growing higher, it seems that the value of X is the value of the exponent.

So, we need to know the base, I'll call it s because of Saitama lol

s^5=10^58

s=sqrt(10^58, 5)=398107170553.4972507702523051

So the function is:
f(x)=398107170553.4972507702523051^x Joules

Well, the function doesn't seem to be growing between X=0 and X=1 as it should, since at X=0 its value is 1, but anyway

Sorry if I explained something wrong, but my english is worse at Maths than at speaking
 
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Hizack123 said:
No ******* way people are legit believe that the time travel feats is Immeasurable speed feats 😭😭😭

I thought y'all are joking!
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Man is literally said to moving in reverse time and the state he was in was even distinguished from those working on regular time lmao.
 
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