- 32,354
- 20,297
Tatsumaki was hit by the beam and was shocked as well, she had no time to react save to shield herself.
-
This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.
For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here. -
We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.
Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.
Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page. -
Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.
STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!
- Thread starter Phoenks
- Start date
- 32,354
- 20,297
5 seconds isn't a lowball by the way that is a joke, it's a high-ball of the highest order. We see in the two-page spread civilians cities away reacting to it and also being pushed back by the wind produced by the beam (You know there's a cap to how fast wind can be, right?) as Psykos sweeps the beam acrosss the ocean to cut the crust. It wasn't a one-shot thing. And it shouldn't be treated as such.
- 4,302
- 2,801
Doesn't that mean... it wasn't thirty seconds...?
- 4,526
- 3,289
When we cut back to Tatsumaki and the beam is gone, she’s still leaning backwards since she was pushed back. You’d think she’d straighten herself after 5 seconds or so if that was how long it took.
She was surprised, but she wasn’t shook, nor shocked. More of a “the hell? Where’d that power come from??” kind of mild surprise.
- 4,302
- 2,801
You do know people can react in a less than a second timeframe, and that some people couldn't even react?
- 4,526
- 3,289
Cities away? You mean within City Z, only a few miles from the tower?? The area in which Tatsumaki places her giant barrier over later??
They didn’t react to the beam itself WHILE IT WAS IN MOTION. By the time they even noticed it existed the beam had already gone through the planet. All they saw was the sustained energy beam followed by the shockwave.
They NEVER reacted to the beam in motion when it was fired. All they saw was Psykos swinging it after it was fired and sustained. That’s like firing a Gatling gun and then swinging the Gatling gun and then saying you reacted to the bullets while they were in motion thus you are a Bullet timer.
- 3,474
- 2,127
Saitama took Boros "more seriously" than other monsters so far, so we have no way of knowing that Tatsumaki's feat scales above that punch of him, he treated Rover like a normal dog, that's not a fair comparison at all. Also, I'm not saying it as a fact, just saying it is an assumption to say either way.
- 32,354
- 20,297
This is irrelevant to my point, they were still several kilometers away. The area that Tatsumaki put the barrier is like 40 kilometers in width at a lowball.
No because she was hit with the beam first and then Psykos swept the ocean.
No because she was held inside the beam shielding herself throughout its duration.
This is completely irrelevant. We see normal civilians cradling their children in their arms, freaking out and screaming as they run on the streets and look back. Some people are also being sent back flying by the wind the beam is generating. This implies several things:
1. That the beam lasted for long enough for people to see it and freak out and decide to run
2. That some people also had time to pick their children into their arms before they started running
3. That they are running for long enough that they look back to see if the destruction is still happening.
4. That the wind / air pressure of the beam reached past several miles and affected people on the streets, throwing them back. Wind / Air Pressure can't be as fast as you're implying nor would someone thrown back happen that quickly.
All of this indicates a far, far greater timeframe than either 1 second or even 5 seconds. That you think 5 seconds is a lowball is delusional. 10 seconds as it is is an insane highball.
- 4,526
- 3,289
“She was held inside the beam shielding herself for the duration”
Citation? Citation please?? Got an awful lot of headcanons to prove here.
The beam crossed the planet in less than 5 seconds at minimum. Tatsumaki reacted to that. Everyone else only witnessed the sustained beam which sliced the disc off the earth in a small enough timeframe that all the water began falling off it at an equal rate and the ground within the disc all began cracking at the same time, thus probably also below 5 seconds once again. Minimum.
In real life, if someone turned on a laser pointed and then swung it, am I now a FTL-timer? Or did the lightspeed laser take 30 seconds to cross the room??
Citation? Citation please?? Got an awful lot of headcanons to prove here.
The beam crossed the planet in less than 5 seconds at minimum. Tatsumaki reacted to that. Everyone else only witnessed the sustained beam which sliced the disc off the earth in a small enough timeframe that all the water began falling off it at an equal rate and the ground within the disc all began cracking at the same time, thus probably also below 5 seconds once again. Minimum.
In real life, if someone turned on a laser pointed and then swung it, am I now a FTL-timer? Or did the lightspeed laser take 30 seconds to cross the room??
- 4,922
- 2,232
Same shitty arguments for this.
The blast fully hit them and exploded on them. SHE prevented all of them from taking damage. The old men weren't trying to block it, they were trying to deflect it. That's what they do with near every attack and they so that with the next 3 blasts Rover shoots.
How are you still claiming the blast wasn't head-on? It was basically point blank range and they were IN A CORNER. It exploding AFTER IT HIT THEM doesn't mean the blast didn't hit them.
- 2,941
- 1,409
The beam has fully extended and then Psykos rocks it to cut a part of the planet and then civilians see it, but let's be dishonest and say that they reacted to the beam.
- 4,387
- 3,341
King and Tareo are right at the base of the tower, why would it take 5 seconds for any shockwave to go that far?
And when you say, cities away, where do you mean? I can't see where the civilians in the second reaction panel would be if not in the Z city district.
If the beam was done in one second, it would functionally be a one-shot
- 4,387
- 3,341
1. People should have already been running because of the evacuation order when Psykos and Tatsumaki were emerging and having their back and forth
2. They had a couple minutes of prep to do this, since there was enough time for a newcast to report on the events in city Z and mention said evacuation order
3. If they were already running, we see them just turning their heads without time to process what is happening
- 32,354
- 20,297
This will solve a lot of the controversial issues people have with scaling, Tatsumaki, and Boros:
- 4,526
- 3,289
Nothing in that thread solved anything tho. It’s mostly just stuff we’ve heard before and solved + some lies such as “Psykorochi’s initial beam was a hundred miles wide”.
- 2,941
- 1,409
I noticed a lot of wrong too, later I will answer that.
- 4,526
- 3,289
The post assumes Tatsumaki twisting Psykorochi’s upper body with a finger flick somehow weakened her by more than 70% but in reality would’ve only weakened her by 10 or 5% given the ACTUAL size of her body.
Tatsumaki only twisted the fake hologram body and the snake; her actual body at the time had almost grown to THE SIZE OF THE CITY. So can someone explain and make sense of how that would weaken her by more than 10%?
Tatsumaki only twisted the fake hologram body and the snake; her actual body at the time had almost grown to THE SIZE OF THE CITY. So can someone explain and make sense of how that would weaken her by more than 10%?
- 32,354
- 20,297
This is an argument from incredulity the feats speak more than your personal belief and the feat show she was weakened extensively.
- 4,526
- 3,289
The feats show that she was only weakened by, like, 10% given the bodymass Tatsumaki actually affected. We never see her try cause as much environmental damage as possible after this so it’s not like you can prove she was weakened to even half of her prior strength despite only the tiniest part of her body being twisted.
- 4,526
- 3,289
Maybe.
Also, Matthew trying to bring back the ”psychics can’t attack and defend at the same time” myth weakness which has been shown, again and again and again, to not exist in the manga. It didn’t even exist in the webcomic.
”when an esper attacks, their defence becomes fragile” was the actual weakness. This doesn’t apply to the manga given Tatsumaki was ATTACKING Psykorochi, then Psykorochi fired the continentel beam and Tatsumaki only took CLOTHING DAMAGE. But hey, if you want to say a FRAGILE DEFENCE TATSUMAKI can still shrug off a point blank continental energy blast be my guest.
Also, Matthew trying to bring back the ”psychics can’t attack and defend at the same time” myth weakness which has been shown, again and again and again, to not exist in the manga. It didn’t even exist in the webcomic.
”when an esper attacks, their defence becomes fragile” was the actual weakness. This doesn’t apply to the manga given Tatsumaki was ATTACKING Psykorochi, then Psykorochi fired the continentel beam and Tatsumaki only took CLOTHING DAMAGE. But hey, if you want to say a FRAGILE DEFENCE TATSUMAKI can still shrug off a point blank continental energy blast be my guest.
- 32,354
- 20,297
Why are you SCREAMING by randomly putting SOMETHING in caps lock as if that will IMPROVE your ARGUMENTATION
- 4,526
- 3,289
It’s called emphasis, it is a technique to draw attention to a specifically important word. Go to English writing class.
- 32,354
- 20,297
Irrelevant as she is being downgraded right now.
- 32,354
- 20,297
Sure. But given that the blast lasts for several seconds and we see her slicing the crust with a sweeping motion with speedlines and wind it is not exactly a 1 to 1 attack. She scales but even so its not something she can bust out in one second.
- 2,500
- 1,248
the start of an intense debate lasting multiple pages long
- 2,941
- 1,409
The most incredible thing of all is that he speaks as if he were already a demotion, as if people would agree with him, what a ridiculous face, it's almost as if it were planned.
- 2,500
- 1,248
I mainly disagree with Psykos getting as badly weakened as Matthew thinks, her main mass is her roots which encompass an entire city, from this image here, its fair to assume it encompasses the whole city (the whole city was twisted with Psykos anyway, if you need further proof).
Its only after Psykos gets toweled by Tatsumaki that these roots begin to receive damage as seen here:
So I doubt Psykos would be under 60%-70% from Tatsumaki's first attack, 50% is the bare minimum I'll except but anything past that just seems like blatantly ignoring the fact she has huge roots encompassing a city that accounts for her mass too.
Its only after Psykos gets toweled by Tatsumaki that these roots begin to receive damage as seen here:
So I doubt Psykos would be under 60%-70% from Tatsumaki's first attack, 50% is the bare minimum I'll except but anything past that just seems like blatantly ignoring the fact she has huge roots encompassing a city that accounts for her mass too.
- 4,387
- 3,341
Here, let's all give our thoughts on the CRT revision, as that's where the changes will happen
- 2,941
- 1,409
Opinion that in the end will not even be taken into account, after all, we are not part of the team.
- 4,387
- 3,341
If most of the community opposes the changes, I don't think they'll go through. Psykorochi being stronger than Tatsumaki seems to be a minority opinion at this point, I actually thought that camp had disappeared until just now
- 11,438
- 14,397
There's a chance of the CRT discussion getting cut short if he gets banned, as Matt and occasionaly SuperGodzilla are the only people actively debating for it.
- 32,354
- 20,297
Similar threads
