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I think 1 second is still a lowball, we know that the beam would first have to fully extend and then Psykos swing and cut the continent, the part that shows us Psykos swinging the beam, it had already extended all over.
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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!
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Didn’t we had this conversation before? Like, this exact one. People kept saying the beam took 5 or so seconds because regular humans and other heroes “reacted” to it.
I chimed in and pointed out that they never reacted to the blast itself; but the shockwave AFTER the blast already crossed the Earth and was sustained, then it was swung. Tatsumaki would’ve been the only one who reacted to it in motion, and also Genos since he later outpaces a weaker version of it.
Tl;dr the beam was fired, Tatsumaki saw it coming and flinched, the beam went through the Earth, everyone else then turned their heads towards it, THEN Psykos swung it.
I chimed in and pointed out that they never reacted to the blast itself; but the shockwave AFTER the blast already crossed the Earth and was sustained, then it was swung. Tatsumaki would’ve been the only one who reacted to it in motion, and also Genos since he later outpaces a weaker version of it.
Tl;dr the beam was fired, Tatsumaki saw it coming and flinched, the beam went through the Earth, everyone else then turned their heads towards it, THEN Psykos swung it.
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Yes, but the same person always comes back to this subject as if it were something new, it is boring.
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Well, we don’t scale Saitama’s punches, but I’ll entertain this thought process anyway.
I don’t see why Tatsumaki shouldn’t scale above it. It’s not like Saitama’s punches automatically scale above every single attack simply because they’re from him. Unless you want to make the argument that Saitama’s punch against Rover is more powerful than Tatsumaki lifting the entire base, turning it into a spear and piercing the earth with it.
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Tatsumaki was hit by the beam and was shocked as well, she had no time to react save to shield herself.
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5 seconds isn't a lowball by the way that is a joke, it's a high-ball of the highest order. We see in the two-page spread civilians cities away reacting to it and also being pushed back by the wind produced by the beam (You know there's a cap to how fast wind can be, right?) as Psykos sweeps the beam acrosss the ocean to cut the crust. It wasn't a one-shot thing. And it shouldn't be treated as such.
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Doesn't that mean... it wasn't thirty seconds...?
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When we cut back to Tatsumaki and the beam is gone, she’s still leaning backwards since she was pushed back. You’d think she’d straighten herself after 5 seconds or so if that was how long it took.
She was surprised, but she wasn’t shook, nor shocked. More of a “the hell? Where’d that power come from??” kind of mild surprise.
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You do know people can react in a less than a second timeframe, and that some people couldn't even react?
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Cities away? You mean within City Z, only a few miles from the tower?? The area in which Tatsumaki places her giant barrier over later??
They didn’t react to the beam itself WHILE IT WAS IN MOTION. By the time they even noticed it existed the beam had already gone through the planet. All they saw was the sustained energy beam followed by the shockwave.
They NEVER reacted to the beam in motion when it was fired. All they saw was Psykos swinging it after it was fired and sustained. That’s like firing a Gatling gun and then swinging the Gatling gun and then saying you reacted to the bullets while they were in motion thus you are a Bullet timer.
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Saitama took Boros "more seriously" than other monsters so far, so we have no way of knowing that Tatsumaki's feat scales above that punch of him, he treated Rover like a normal dog, that's not a fair comparison at all. Also, I'm not saying it as a fact, just saying it is an assumption to say either way.
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This is irrelevant to my point, they were still several kilometers away. The area that Tatsumaki put the barrier is like 40 kilometers in width at a lowball.
No because she was hit with the beam first and then Psykos swept the ocean.
No because she was held inside the beam shielding herself throughout its duration.
This is completely irrelevant. We see normal civilians cradling their children in their arms, freaking out and screaming as they run on the streets and look back. Some people are also being sent back flying by the wind the beam is generating. This implies several things:
1. That the beam lasted for long enough for people to see it and freak out and decide to run
2. That some people also had time to pick their children into their arms before they started running
3. That they are running for long enough that they look back to see if the destruction is still happening.
4. That the wind / air pressure of the beam reached past several miles and affected people on the streets, throwing them back. Wind / Air Pressure can't be as fast as you're implying nor would someone thrown back happen that quickly.
All of this indicates a far, far greater timeframe than either 1 second or even 5 seconds. That you think 5 seconds is a lowball is delusional. 10 seconds as it is is an insane highball.
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“She was held inside the beam shielding herself for the duration”
Citation? Citation please?? Got an awful lot of headcanons to prove here.
The beam crossed the planet in less than 5 seconds at minimum. Tatsumaki reacted to that. Everyone else only witnessed the sustained beam which sliced the disc off the earth in a small enough timeframe that all the water began falling off it at an equal rate and the ground within the disc all began cracking at the same time, thus probably also below 5 seconds once again. Minimum.
In real life, if someone turned on a laser pointed and then swung it, am I now a FTL-timer? Or did the lightspeed laser take 30 seconds to cross the room??
Citation? Citation please?? Got an awful lot of headcanons to prove here.
The beam crossed the planet in less than 5 seconds at minimum. Tatsumaki reacted to that. Everyone else only witnessed the sustained beam which sliced the disc off the earth in a small enough timeframe that all the water began falling off it at an equal rate and the ground within the disc all began cracking at the same time, thus probably also below 5 seconds once again. Minimum.
In real life, if someone turned on a laser pointed and then swung it, am I now a FTL-timer? Or did the lightspeed laser take 30 seconds to cross the room??
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Same shitty arguments for this.
The blast fully hit them and exploded on them. SHE prevented all of them from taking damage. The old men weren't trying to block it, they were trying to deflect it. That's what they do with near every attack and they so that with the next 3 blasts Rover shoots.
How are you still claiming the blast wasn't head-on? It was basically point blank range and they were IN A CORNER. It exploding AFTER IT HIT THEM doesn't mean the blast didn't hit them.
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The beam has fully extended and then Psykos rocks it to cut a part of the planet and then civilians see it, but let's be dishonest and say that they reacted to the beam.
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King and Tareo are right at the base of the tower, why would it take 5 seconds for any shockwave to go that far?
And when you say, cities away, where do you mean? I can't see where the civilians in the second reaction panel would be if not in the Z city district.
If the beam was done in one second, it would functionally be a one-shot
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1. People should have already been running because of the evacuation order when Psykos and Tatsumaki were emerging and having their back and forth
2. They had a couple minutes of prep to do this, since there was enough time for a newcast to report on the events in city Z and mention said evacuation order
3. If they were already running, we see them just turning their heads without time to process what is happening
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This will solve a lot of the controversial issues people have with scaling, Tatsumaki, and Boros:
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Nothing in that thread solved anything tho. It’s mostly just stuff we’ve heard before and solved + some lies such as “Psykorochi’s initial beam was a hundred miles wide”.
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I noticed a lot of wrong too, later I will answer that.
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The post assumes Tatsumaki twisting Psykorochi’s upper body with a finger flick somehow weakened her by more than 70% but in reality would’ve only weakened her by 10 or 5% given the ACTUAL size of her body.
Tatsumaki only twisted the fake hologram body and the snake; her actual body at the time had almost grown to THE SIZE OF THE CITY. So can someone explain and make sense of how that would weaken her by more than 10%?
Tatsumaki only twisted the fake hologram body and the snake; her actual body at the time had almost grown to THE SIZE OF THE CITY. So can someone explain and make sense of how that would weaken her by more than 10%?
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This is an argument from incredulity the feats speak more than your personal belief and the feat show she was weakened extensively.
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The feats show that she was only weakened by, like, 10% given the bodymass Tatsumaki actually affected. We never see her try cause as much environmental damage as possible after this so it’s not like you can prove she was weakened to even half of her prior strength despite only the tiniest part of her body being twisted.
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Maybe.
Also, Matthew trying to bring back the ”psychics can’t attack and defend at the same time” myth weakness which has been shown, again and again and again, to not exist in the manga. It didn’t even exist in the webcomic.
”when an esper attacks, their defence becomes fragile” was the actual weakness. This doesn’t apply to the manga given Tatsumaki was ATTACKING Psykorochi, then Psykorochi fired the continentel beam and Tatsumaki only took CLOTHING DAMAGE. But hey, if you want to say a FRAGILE DEFENCE TATSUMAKI can still shrug off a point blank continental energy blast be my guest.
Also, Matthew trying to bring back the ”psychics can’t attack and defend at the same time” myth weakness which has been shown, again and again and again, to not exist in the manga. It didn’t even exist in the webcomic.
”when an esper attacks, their defence becomes fragile” was the actual weakness. This doesn’t apply to the manga given Tatsumaki was ATTACKING Psykorochi, then Psykorochi fired the continentel beam and Tatsumaki only took CLOTHING DAMAGE. But hey, if you want to say a FRAGILE DEFENCE TATSUMAKI can still shrug off a point blank continental energy blast be my guest.
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Why are you SCREAMING by randomly putting SOMETHING in caps lock as if that will IMPROVE your ARGUMENTATION
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It’s called emphasis, it is a technique to draw attention to a specifically important word. Go to English writing class.
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Irrelevant as she is being downgraded right now.
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Wouldn't Full Power Psykorochi scale to it?
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Sure. But given that the blast lasts for several seconds and we see her slicing the crust with a sweeping motion with speedlines and wind it is not exactly a 1 to 1 attack. She scales but even so its not something she can bust out in one second.
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the start of an intense debate lasting multiple pages long
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The most incredible thing of all is that he speaks as if he were already a demotion, as if people would agree with him, what a ridiculous face, it's almost as if it were planned.
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I mainly disagree with Psykos getting as badly weakened as Matthew thinks, her main mass is her roots which encompass an entire city, from this image here, its fair to assume it encompasses the whole city (the whole city was twisted with Psykos anyway, if you need further proof).
Its only after Psykos gets toweled by Tatsumaki that these roots begin to receive damage as seen here:
So I doubt Psykos would be under 60%-70% from Tatsumaki's first attack, 50% is the bare minimum I'll except but anything past that just seems like blatantly ignoring the fact she has huge roots encompassing a city that accounts for her mass too.
Its only after Psykos gets toweled by Tatsumaki that these roots begin to receive damage as seen here:
So I doubt Psykos would be under 60%-70% from Tatsumaki's first attack, 50% is the bare minimum I'll except but anything past that just seems like blatantly ignoring the fact she has huge roots encompassing a city that accounts for her mass too.
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Here, let's all give our thoughts on the CRT revision, as that's where the changes will happen
