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Speaking of Boros should we set up a crt for him to be 6-A since the calc was accepted?
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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!
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Sounds reasonable
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I'll do the CRT on the God tiers.
However ouros wanted to do a CRT on the a class heroes and tiger level monsters
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I was also preparing, I even made a sandbox on the divine layer
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Well know we have the HEO CRT to deal with, so I'll put that on hold for the mean time since it's a big CRT. The God Tiers should be fairly straightforward though- MB and Released Boros are upgraded, MB to 6-A of course and Released should probably downscale to High 6-B+ since the moon jump isn't far into 6-A.
Tatsumaki and Psykos get their AP justifications rerouted to the new calc, but their tiers remain the same. Genos should be upgraded and that may be the only contentious bit- how do we downscale Genos? I think 10 seconds would just be lower into High 6-A at this point than Psykorochi all around, as he could be 1/50th the strength of the earth cutter and still above baseline.
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No actually, the moon jump is High 6-A, but the ship itself is 6-A, boros scales above it
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But I hope AG will perform a 5-C feat, otherwise he will be in the same tier as Genos and Psykorochi, and only scales above them.
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Yeah, he’d just be a lower degree of High 6-A.
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Don't get your hopes up, High 6-A is a very, very big tier. Anything short of pulverizing our moon is High 6-A, Garou would have to break Mars in four pieces or something to get 5-C
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Also if Garou performed a 5-C feat he’d be above Boros so like-
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Yeah, destroying something like the moon can always result High 6-A. IIRC, destroying something like Pluto would result in only 2 exatons
Which makes CSRCand Saitamaa a dwarf planet buster uwu
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Right, I meant to say the ship calc. Are we scaling both Released and MB above the damage done to the ship? I feel like we might be able to scale MB to it, but not even MB hit the ship hard enough to tilt it or anything
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No, the point is the ship tanked that specific moon jump without breaking, it scales to it's durable. Boros' AP scales above it in both forms because he could damage it
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Disagree with downscaling Genos to High 6-A. He doesn't scale to Psykorochi with regular attacks.
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Who the hell said he should be High 6-A with regular attacks...?
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People saying his 10-second move should downscale to High 6-A, when it should not. Genos refers to his Thunder Drill Cannon as a "Trump Card" and describes its power as capable of destroying a giant meteor.
The ability to match weak-beams from psykos and the dragon-heads and to divert a beam from a weakened, half-destroyed and regenerating Psykos upwards doesn't make Genos High 6-A and he never should.
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Ok, but he still clashes with at least 2 of her big beams, even if it’s max effort. I don’t see why he couldn’t scale from those.
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The clashes involve the Thunder Drill Cannon diverting the beam and the True Spiral Incineration cannon, the former of which only diverts a beam off-course and the later is his ultimate attack.
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The calculation that is trying to upgrade Psykorochi is also flawed because it ignores that she held the beam for several seconds as it sliced the continent.
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“only diverts a beam off-course”, it literally completely changes it’s direction. The force it would be having to apply to do that would have to be at least relative to do what it did.
Also, didn’t you say that Fubuki wouldn’t have her forcefields scale because she’s “clearly written as inferior to the S class heroes”? Genos is pretty blatantly being written to be clashing with Psykorochi in this bit, even if it’s max effort from him.
Ok, his ultimate attack gets a tier of it’s own if you don’t agree with anything else. That’s undeniable with that logic.
Also, didn’t you say that Fubuki wouldn’t have her forcefields scale because she’s “clearly written as inferior to the S class heroes”? Genos is pretty blatantly being written to be clashing with Psykorochi in this bit, even if it’s max effort from him.
Ok, his ultimate attack gets a tier of it’s own if you don’t agree with anything else. That’s undeniable with that logic.
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And here we go with the same outdated argument, hell
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And his ultimate attack already has a tier of its own
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Doesn't mean anything. Psykoplane is 7-B and yet her beams were stopped by chunks of rubble and buildings. Does the concrete have 7-B durability now?
Comparatively, we know that Psykos' and Genos' beams have mass. Genos' in particular are made of hot-plasma and Psykos' beams can affect the gravity of objects and propel shit upwards indicating that it also has physical properties. Changing the direction is not a matter of being relative just a matter of vectors crashing and forcing something to change its course.
The same attack that Genos manages to divert the beam from the weak and wounded Psykos is also stated by him to be able to destroy a giant meteor, not blow up a continent. Conversely, Genos describes Psykos' energy when she does cut up the continent as inconceivable and impossible to measure meanwhile he is well aware of his own energy and can measure it.
They are not intended or written to be comparable whatsoever.
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It was about a second according to this calc
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This makes no ******* sense and I wonder if people who made the calc read the chapter.
We see normal people, literal civilians, reacting to the blast and running away as it is being fired. They are literally cities away from the blast and they're all reacting to it in shock and horror.
It has to have been several seconds at least to allow people to react like that.
We also see speedlines and a sweeping curve on the beam indicating that Psykos held the beam and swung it like a razor after firing it. Meaning it wasn't one-shot.
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That sounds reasonable. What timeframe do you have in mind?
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10 seconds for a high-end, 30 seconds for a mid-end and 1-minute for a low-end.
I'm leaning for the mid-end. It is enough time for for people to react, see what's happening, and react in terror and try to flee but still quick enough that people would be left stunned and not quite sure of what they just witnessed
I'm leaning for the mid-end. It is enough time for for people to react, see what's happening, and react in terror and try to flee but still quick enough that people would be left stunned and not quite sure of what they just witnessed
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30 seconds? 30 seconds sounds short but i will give you a suggestion. take your phone and set the timer to 30 seconds and wait until it hits zero. you'll see that 30 seconds is actually quite some time and it doesnt take that long for people to "react, see what's happening, and react in terror and try to flee but still quick enough that people would be left stunned and not quite sure of what they just witnessed". you're making it seem like its a ton of things happening by using a lot of words, but in reality it really doesnt take much time for what you described to happen.
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I think the 10 seconds is actually the best end but that's just me. I'm pretty sre people could all those things in under 10 minutes
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Lmao. We tryna overcome the death battle discussion thread uwu
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i have a question. can we assume sweet mask is low 7-C because with one attack he was able to completely shatter and break through all seven members of the narinki squad lunging at him? each narinki squad member should be on par with hammerhead who has an AP of 225 tons of TNT. one attack by sweet mask was superior to the combined attack of seven people that can generate 225 tons of TNT. 225x7 is 1575 tons of TNT which is well within low 7-C territory.
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Wasn't that scene cut out?
Although, it was implied he could do that in the redraw, but seems like an odd multiplier
Although, it was implied he could do that in the redraw, but seems like an odd multiplier
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Nah. All he would need for that is enough AP to shatter one set of armor and good speed.
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ONE clearly wanted to show that one attack of sweet mask is stronger than the entire narinki squad's full strength. this scene was scrapped i know, but it was scrapped not because ONE thought "hey, maybe sweet mask shouldnt be this powerful". he scrapped it because he wants to show sweet mask as a good guy later on, and murdering innocent people like that makes it hard to like him.
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All you would need is enough AP to destroy them individually, and the speed to do it simultaneously. Them being a squad doesn’t amp the durability.
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I didn't take he did by cutting them one by one, he just went through them and they were all killed. Doesn't really matter as it was deleted in the re-draw
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Yes, but that doesn’t necessarily mean his AP is 7x their durability anyway. It just needs to be high enough to one shot them individually since he speed blitzed em.
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i wasnt really thinking about durability being multiplied by 7. i was more so thinking about the implications here. it seems to me that ONE wanted to depict sweet mask as massively more powerful than the combined might of the entire narinki squad, which i thought may be enough evidence to change his tier to low 7-C but i may be wrong there.
