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yeah we need to remove that from whites description, if we apply that logic and reasoning.
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Yeah LMAO do you see how inconsistent and inaccurate they are? Lol. 3-A Beerus and Jire, for real? Literally everything in DB Super indicates that the GoD-tiers are Low 2-C (in fact they are like, so far above baseline-level of Low 2-C that it's crazy). So seeing that they rate the likes of Jiren, Beerus, and Ultra Instinct Goku (really guys? lol) as only 3-A tells me that site is horifically inaccurate and outdated in its info and research.Nickobloke said:yeah I thought it was pretty funny, they do have much less restrictions on there rules, if any for that matter, I just thought it interesting.
What I want to know is why the heck somebody thought a Gizmodo article with no affiliation with the show's creators and which didn't cite any sources was a valid piece of evidence to cite on VsBattles, and why nobody noticed that and took it down since it completely goes against site standards to be so illogical, ya know? That's all I'm really getting at. Like I get exactly what you're saying about it being due to the hype. But my point is. . . .why would somebody think a random hype-statement from a random writer at Gizmodo is a valid piece of canon info on the series, and why did NOBODY ON HERE STOP THEM from adding it to White's profile? LMAO!Nickobloke said:yeah I think that all comes from, apart from the article, the hype, when we saw homeworld in that state, the biggest thing on peoples minds was white diamond, as it was right before her reveal, so they assumed, of course, and just thought, hey white must have done it, mixed with hype and assumptions.
Problem is that just deleting that will make it seem like we have no evidence for the "likely far higher" part. But that is easily solved, we just need to take some of the stuff for the justifcation for the High 6-A part and put it after the Far Higher part, namely the stuff about her BEING FAR SUPERIOR TO YELLOW AND BLUE! Her vast superiority to Yellow and Blue is really all the evidence we need for "likely far higher," lol.Nickobloke said:exactly, first piece of business once the forum migration is done.
Far above 8 ExatonsKyleb79 said:How strong would a Diamond Fusion be?
Like if Blue/Yellow fused to become Green Diamond? Considering that a fusion is WAY stronger than just the sum-of-its-parts, considering that how MUCH stronger is dependent on how strong the bond between the two components is (thus why Garnet is so strong and sang that song to Jasper about how she's "stronger than you" because her strength is that of Ruby and Sapphire's love), AND considering that Yellow and Blue have a very, very strong sisterly bond. . . .well, Green Diamond would be OVERPOWERED AS ****, to say the least. As in, if Yellow and Blue had learned to fuse, they would have certainly been a good deal stronger than White, and would've been able to K.O. Monster Steven with just pure physical force or whatever combined hax-power they would get from a mixture of Blue's and Yellow's powers. They'd probably be strong enough that in this case, just vague-upscaling alone would actually be enough of a justification (which it almost never is on VsB) to place Green Diamond at Tier At Least 5-C, because she would CERTAINLY be at least thousands of times stronger than Lapis' ocean-tower feat, and as Adem said would be FAR stronger than 8 Exatons.Kyleb79 said:How strong would a Diamond Fusion be?
That would just be tooooo much. Like if Steven fused with Yellow and Blue, I dunno what color that would make but the resulting entity would be INSANELY OP. If you added in White as well, then the fusion would be VERY unstable and have a hard time staying together, but would almost certainly be even stronger than a Fully Formed Cluster, like straight-up 5-A or higher, ESPECIALLY if Steven activated Pink State while part of the fusion. Heck, a Pink State 4-Way Diamond Fusion would probably be High 5-A or even Tier 4, lmaooooo holy shit dude.Kyleb79 said:Imagine a trio or all 4 of them.
The Axiom of Virgo said:Just popping in to say where's Aquamarine?, I know she's a glass cannon but she strong enough to restrain fusions and is an elite member of Blue diamonds court.
The Wand does not count as it was not part of her natural abilities, it was not a "summoned" weapon. For example, Bluebird Azurite did not have the Wand in Future, as it was established in Save the Light and Unleash the Light as part of the true-canon background written for the games by Rebecca Sugar that all non-summoned (i.e. unnatural) Gem weapons like limb-enhancers had been confiscated from Gems at the start of Era 3 due to new laws. Aqua no longer having the Wand means that it was confiscated from her, so it was never part of her natural powers (which was already obvious since she carried it on her rather than summoning it out of her gemstone).Kyleb79 said:Physically it says unknown but the closest to seeing Aquamarine getting an AP Upgrade is this. Her with the wand seemed like the same thing Peridot used with the Limb Enhancers though the Wand can fully restrain Alexandrite for another time, I think it is either a type of Hax or Lifting Strength but not AP.
What limb-enhancers? Aqua never had those. The Wand has no relation to Limb Enhancers other than being a non-summoned/unnatural weapon based on technology.Kyleb79 said:I'll recorrect this sentence, "Limb Enhancers though the Wand can fully restrain Alexandrite for another time"
Recorrection: "Limb Enhancers bubble had the same functions as the Wand though the wand can restrain Alexandrite for an unknown time."
Since Pyrope was very damaged, but also since Demantoid was clearly "weak for a Garnet," I would say probably At Least High 7-A but we can't necessarily say she was 6-C.Adem Warlock69 said:How Strong would Demantoid (Without her Prism Constructed Limb Enhancers) be? she poofed a heavily damaged Pyrope.
Yes, that is what I meant by overall combat ability. Stevonnie is "weaker" than Jasper or Garnet, but nevertheless can beat the former in a fight and can probably AT LEAST STALEMATE the latter. In fights, physical strength isn't everything, for sure. The reason Stevonnie is so great in combat is because of extreme skill and great use of their speed; Connie is a VERY skilled martial-artist and sword-user, and Steven himself is a skilled fighter, and because their relationship is so strong, when they fuse the resulting entity has INSANE skill. Thus why they were able to casually stomp Jasper and force her to retreat despite being physically weaker than Jasper. Which is impressive since Jasper herself is VERY SKILLED and experienced in combat, ya know?Kyleb79 said:I have some questions.
Would Topaz fused be physically stronger than Garnet mainly because a single Topaz is vastly superior to a Ruby and a Sapphire or was Garnets' relationship just plain stronger than Topaz fused?
Steven and Peridot AP don't scale to their durability do you guys agree with it.
As well as @Goodyfresh when you said Overall Combat Ability did you mean who would overall win in a fight.
DEFINITELY not since Smoky Quartz was still able to beat her.Adem Warlock69 said:Would Zebra Jasper (Corrupted Jasper fusion) be comparable to Sugilite? Cause Jasper is equal to Garnet, and Ocean Jasper should be Amethyst Level?
Yes, Peridot's level with her metal-powers is "unknown," her poofing Corrupted Jasper with it seemed to be an outlier.Steven in Season 1 was all over the place because his powers were still fluctuating, the only aspect of his durability in S1 that ALWAYS scaled to the 7-A or 7-A+ characters was his shields and bubbles, obviously. Him tanking Jasper's headbutt and being knocked out but surviving was certainly a Regenerationn-feat rather than a durability-feat.Kyleb79 said:Though do you agree with Peridot and Steven(Season 1) not scaling to their durability?
She wasn't actually HURT as far as we could TELL, there wasn't a single scratch on her physical form. She was just hit by enough force at once to bring her to her knees, and keep in mind the biggest component of that was STEVEN WITH A SPIKED BUBBLE that has At Least High 6-A durability, who was THROWN with full power by LAPIS' WATER-MANIP which is also At Least High 6-A.Kyleb79 said:"A gem hurting a diamond is absurd" gets hurt by some ordinary gems lol.
Well yeah dude I mean I already said in this thread, that random tree in the forest that Aquamarine used her Wand (again not a natural weapon so she doesn't scale to it) to throw Steven into so hard it knocked him out, must have 7-A+ durability like Steven did at the time, since it withstood such a blow. So even random trees can be Tier 7-A in this series. So can boulders, since they are durable enough for Jasper to see them as worth training with, and one of them was able to crack Amethyst and nearly kill her! Small boulders also clearly have Class M weight (between a million and a billion tons) by scaling to Steven's lifting-strength, since it was "training" for Jasper and Steven to carry and throw them and Steven had a hard time with carrying them!Kyleb79 said:I remember seeing a video saying Lapis was "Holding Back" against the diamonds which is BS. Also clearly structures range from 7-A to High 6-A as a barn knocked down Blue diamond temporarily(This is a joke)