Steven Universe Diamond Blast

[RiloKileyFan]

I'll do that for you then.





This light attack is seen 4 different times in the actual show. All told in flashbacks. All with different artistic approaches. So one could argue that the light is used as transition effect.

BTW, on the first video, Garnet even states "in a last ditch effort to wipe out the Rebellion", so only gems were the intended target of the attack.

Basic context its
The Diamond Authority (Pink, White, Yellow, and Blue Diamond) from HomeWorld colonize planets throughout the galaxies. One of the Diamonds, Pink, is assigned Earth to conquer and colonize. Pink falls in love with Earth and decides to rebel. She disguises herself as a different gem "Rose". War begins at earth, between Homeworld forces and the rebellion (Crystal Gems lead by "Rose" aka Pink Diamond). Eventually Pink Diamond fakes her death to try to end the war. The other 3 Diamonds decide to avenge Pink's death by blasting the Earth with a light attack, but not before planting a geo-weapon called the "Cluster" to try to destroy the planet in the future. While the Diamonds blast intended on wiping out the gems, it only resulted in corrupting them. No other being, including humans and animals, were affected by this attack. Not all Gems were corrupted anyways, so the light has limitations.

OP and others contend that the light attack came all the way from HomeWorld which is located in a completely different galaxy from Earth based on a indirect statement. Myself, OBD calc, SU wiki, and even Death Battle have concluded the attack came between the Moon and the Earth. Which is about city level-country level attack max, if it even applies to AP.

Inverse Square law is not justified. The God-Tiers of this verse are incapable of Planet level AP, since they need to rely on the Geo-Weapon called the "Cluster" to destroy the planet. Currently, The Diamonds are 6-A based on scaling from a lesser character who has a 6-A feat, however, the combined effort from 3 God-Tier characters best attack only results in Small-Country Level (OBD calc/Death Battle calc) which is less than the 6-A feat by Lapis Lazuli, which is actually considered an outlier on a different VS site)

Hope this helps!

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I'll do that for you then.





This light attack is seen 4 different times in the actual show. All told in flashbacks. All with different artistic approaches. So one could argue that the light is used as transition effect.

BTW, on the first video, Garnet even states "in a last ditch effort to wipe out the Rebellion", so only gems were the intended target of the attack.

Basic context its
The Diamond Authority (Pink, White, Yellow, and Blue Diamond) from HomeWorld colonize planets throughout the galaxies. One of the Diamonds, Pink, is assigned Earth to conquer and colonize. Pink falls in love with Earth and decides to rebel. She disguises herself as a different gem "Rose". War begins at earth, between Homeworld forces and the rebellion (Crystal Gems lead by "Rose" aka Pink Diamond). Eventually Pink Diamond fakes her death to try to end the war. The other 3 Diamonds decide to avenge Pink's death by blasting the Earth with a light attack, but not before planting a geo-weapon called the "Cluster" to try to destroy the planet in the future. While the Diamonds blast intended on wiping out the gems, it only resulted in corrupting them. No other being, including humans and animals, were affected by this attack. Not all Gems were corrupted anyways, so the light has limitations.

OP and others contend that the light attack came all the way from HomeWorld which is located in a completely different galaxy from Earth based on a indirect statement. Myself, OBD calc, SU wiki, and even Death Battle have concluded the attack came between the Moon and the Earth. Which is about city level-country level attack max, if it even applies to AP.

Inverse Square law is not justified. The God-Tiers of this verse are incapable of Planet level AP, since they need to rely on the Geo-Weapon called the "Cluster" to destroy the planet. Currently, The Diamonds are 6-A based on scaling from a lesser character who has a 6-A feat, however, the combined effort from 3 God-Tier characters best attack only results in Small-Country Level (OBD calc/Death Battle calc) which is less than the 6-A feat by Lapis Lazuli, which is actually considered an outlier on a different VS site)

Hope this helps!

Would like to point out that there are multiple times both in the show and in the canon guidebook that the Diamonds intent for the blast was to destroy the surface of the planet itself and that they had no idea that anyone had even survived. It is in fact AP

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Also, how other sites treat these characters does not matter in any way, shape, or form. It holds no bearing on how we treat them

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I've messaged the calc group to take a look at this, theres no reason why this feat wouldnt be useable

 

[Lightbuster30]

Again, the inverse square law does not apply for straight energy beams travelling through outer space, and in addition, continuous long-lasting attacks are tiered as energy expenditure per second according to our standards.

I remember asking this very question some time ago and iirc I was told the opposite is true. Don't have any opinions on this attack scaling to the Diamonds AP, just commenting on this specific thing.

 

[Dalesean027]

I'll do that for you then.





This light attack is seen 4 different times in the actual show. All told in flashbacks. All with different artistic approaches. So one could argue that the light is used as transition effect.

BTW, on the first video, Garnet even states "in a last ditch effort to wipe out the Rebellion", so only gems were the intended target of the attack.

Basic context its
The Diamond Authority (Pink, White, Yellow, and Blue Diamond) from HomeWorld colonize planets throughout the galaxies. One of the Diamonds, Pink, is assigned Earth to conquer and colonize. Pink falls in love with Earth and decides to rebel. She disguises herself as a different gem "Rose". War begins at earth, between Homeworld forces and the rebellion (Crystal Gems lead by "Rose" aka Pink Diamond). Eventually Pink Diamond fakes her death to try to end the war. The other 3 Diamonds decide to avenge Pink's death by blasting the Earth with a light attack, but not before planting a geo-weapon called the "Cluster" to try to destroy the planet in the future. While the Diamonds blast intended on wiping out the gems, it only resulted in corrupting them. No other being, including humans and animals, were affected by this attack. Not all Gems were corrupted anyways, so the light has limitations.

OP and others contend that the light attack came all the way from HomeWorld which is located in a completely different galaxy from Earth based on a indirect statement. Myself, OBD calc, SU wiki, and even Death Battle have concluded the attack came between the Moon and the Earth. Which is about city level-country level attack max, if it even applies to AP.

Inverse Square law is not justified. The God-Tiers of this verse are incapable of Planet level AP, since they need to rely on the Geo-Weapon called the "Cluster" to destroy the planet. Currently, The Diamonds are 6-A based on scaling from a lesser character who has a 6-A feat, however, the combined effort from 3 God-Tier characters best attack only results in Small-Country Level (OBD calc/Death Battle calc) which is less than the 6-A feat by Lapis Lazuli, which is actually considered an outlier on a different VS site)

Hope this helps!

Please simply provide the information that's been agreed upon in the thread and stop adding other things to throw off or subvert things we've already debunked things you continue to say even to this point and you're still continuing on

 

[Dalesean027]

Ant these videos are the only things that are usable from Burger's explanation as they continue to try and debate and give misinformation and their own feelings on the matter when we've already these same things again and again

Its a feat performed by th god tiers that scales solely to the god tiers, it doesnt need to line up with the weaker characters in the verse because to literally every othr charactr in the entire verse the Diamonds are untouchable

It is performed by the god tiers so there aren't really any anti-feats and no one but the god tiers scale as we've already established.
The feat performed by the Diamonds from Homeworld Galaxy(as we already established) launching an Attack to Earth(which already know is in another galaxy)

It's actually stated at least twice in the show In "Log Date 7 15 2", Garnet mentioned that the Gem Homeworld is not located in the Milky Way Galaxy, where Earth resides, but in a separate galaxy still visible from Earth. In Issue 12 (2017), Pearl reveals that Gem Homeworld is located in the other galaxy still on this case visible from Earth.

as per this.

"How did you even survive? We blasted the planet and obliterated every Gem on it surface."

"No one should have survived our attack."

we've already established again and again that the blast is AP and intended to destroy

Honestly the fact that they knew to use this attack to try to wipe out the gems on earth but didnt know that without pink it would corrupt the gems makes me believe that they did this at some point in the past with Pink still with them and it just annihilated whatever they used it on

First off, Peridot asked Steven if “Stevens” have took over the human race as if they were nonexistent anymore. Peridot only stating that the record said that all Gems were destroyed is not a very good argument given the fact she never says it is impossible that organic life could have been destroyed. Peridot was surprised in the moment because she wasn’t expecting other gems from planet earth to be alive and well. She NEVER states that only gems should have been destroyed nor does she infer to it. If she said “The document says ONLY gems should have been destroyed” then you’d have a good argument. However she says it in a way that they should have been wiped out along with earth.

Secondly, Peridot and the diamonds at this time don’t really know a lot about earth outside of there’s gems on that planet nor do they care about the organic life existing on Earth. Yellow literally doesn’t seem to give a crap about Earth and compares it to a big chunk of rubble. So it’s not valid to make it seem like they know a bunch about the earth and the organic life existing on it.

Listen, we have already gained enough proof to prove that the blast was AP. I feel like we’re beyond the point of arguing if the blast was AP and we should get it calced and decide how to incorporate the feat after it gets calced.

I don't believe I need to pull any more of the many justifications for this and debunks to burger which still haven't been contended against by them this from the the thread to show you further.

 

[Antvasima]

I'll do that for you then.





This light attack is seen 4 different times in the actual show. All told in flashbacks. All with different artistic approaches. So one could argue that the light is used as transition effect.

BTW, on the first video, Garnet even states "in a last ditch effort to wipe out the Rebellion", so only gems were the intended target of the attack.

Basic context its
The Diamond Authority (Pink, White, Yellow, and Blue Diamond) from HomeWorld colonize planets throughout the galaxies. One of the Diamonds, Pink, is assigned Earth to conquer and colonize. Pink falls in love with Earth and decides to rebel. She disguises herself as a different gem "Rose". War begins at earth, between Homeworld forces and the rebellion (Crystal Gems lead by "Rose" aka Pink Diamond). Eventually Pink Diamond fakes her death to try to end the war. The other 3 Diamonds decide to avenge Pink's death by blasting the Earth with a light attack, but not before planting a geo-weapon called the "Cluster" to try to destroy the planet in the future. While the Diamonds blast intended on wiping out the gems, it only resulted in corrupting them. No other being, including humans and animals, were affected by this attack. Not all Gems were corrupted anyways, so the light has limitations.

OP and others contend that the light attack came all the way from HomeWorld which is located in a completely different galaxy from Earth based on a indirect statement. Myself, OBD calc, SU wiki, and even Death Battle have concluded the attack came between the Moon and the Earth. Which is about city level-country level attack max, if it even applies to AP.

Inverse Square law is not justified. The God-Tiers of this verse are incapable of Planet level AP, since they need to rely on the Geo-Weapon called the "Cluster" to destroy the planet. Currently, The Diamonds are 6-A based on scaling from a lesser character who has a 6-A feat, however, the combined effort from 3 God-Tier characters best attack only results in Small-Country Level (OBD calc/Death Battle calc) which is less than the 6-A feat by Lapis Lazuli, which is actually considered an outlier on a different VS site)

Hope this helps!

@Damage3245 @Mr._Bambu @Armorchompy @Executor_N0

What do you think about this feat? As I stated above, I do not think that the inverse square law applies for straight energy beams travelling through outer space, and in addition, continuous long-lasting attacks are tiered as energy expenditure per second according to our standards.

 

[RiloKileyFan]

How did I miss this? How did anybody miss this?

On the 3rd video I posted


Centipeetle recalls hearing a SOUND from the sky. Then the light happens. This proves this is not a FTL speed attack, let alone MFTL. Why would you hear SOUND before the LIGHT hits you? I think we're done here.

 

[Dalesean027]

How did I miss this? How did anybody miss this?

On the 3rd video I posted


Centipeetle recalls hearing a SOUND from the sky. Then the light happens. This proves this is not a FTL speed attack, let alone MFTL. Why would you hear SOUND before the LIGHT hits you? I think we're done here.

??? The speed of the feat is already calc'd and accepted as FTL on all the diamonds profiles

 

[Dalesean027]

@Damage3245 @Mr._Bambu @Armorchompy @Executor_N0

What do you think about this feat? As I stated above, I do not think that the inverse square law applies for straight energy beams travelling through outer space, and in addition, continuous long-lasting attacks are tiered as energy expenditure per second according to our standards.

Ant ik that you're a busy person but try and pay attention to what's being said in the thread I've already given you many explanations and explained why Burgers logic isn't usable, we've already come to multiple consensus that burger hasn't come close to debunking or debating against when they've already been accepted by the rest of this thread

Please simply provide the information that's been agreed upon in the thread and stop adding other things to throw off or subvert things we've already debunked things you continue to say even to this point and you're still continuing on

Ant these videos are the only things that are usable from Burger's explanation as they continue to try and debate and give misinformation and their own feelings on the matter when we've already these same things again and again

It is performed by the god tiers so there aren't really any anti-feats and no one but the god tiers scale as we've already established.
The feat performed by the Diamonds from Homeworld Galaxy(as we already established) launching an Attack to Earth(which already know is in another galaxy)

as per this.

we've already established again and again that the blast is AP and intended to destroy


I don't believe I need to pull any more of the many justifications for this and debunks to burger which still haven't been contended against by them this from the the thread to show you further.

 

[Livinmeme]

How did I miss this? How did anybody miss this?

On the 3rd video I posted


Centipeetle recalls hearing a SOUND from the sky. Then the light happens. This proves this is not a FTL speed attack, let alone MFTL. Why would you hear SOUND before the LIGHT hits you? I think we're done here.

Because author doesnt think about that you know

 

[Antvasima]

I don't think that I have received any proper answers to my own objections though:

Again, the inverse square law does not apply for straight energy beams travelling through outer space, and in addition, continuous long-lasting attacks are tiered as energy expenditure per second according to our standards.

 

[Dalesean027]

I don't think that I have received any proper answers to my own objections though:

No one is proposing inverse square law though it's fine that that's how you object we've already said to get the calc team to see how best it can be calc'd. And I'm not saying what I said in response to that but the misinformation on the feat and from the current debate and consensus that burger is ignoring when they've already been debunked on their logic and arguments that of which you're so willing to accept

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Let's see what the calc group members think then.

 

[Lightbuster30]

@Damage3245 @Mr._Bambu @Armorchompy @Executor_N0

What do you think about this feat? As I stated above, I do not think that the inverse square law applies for straight energy beams travelling through outer space, and in addition, continuous long-lasting attacks are tiered as energy expenditure per second according to our standards.

If for example, a Sun width laser beam carries enough energy to destroy Earth and it can do so with only surface area equal to Earth, then why wouldn't we apply inverse square law? It would be ridiculous to assume the entirety of the beam's surface area carries the exact same energy as a tiny fraction of its area.

 

[Antvasima]

Why do you think that the beam would be as wide as our Sun? Is that based on anything? It also seems like a gigantic waste of energy.

 

[Lightbuster30]

Why do you think that the beam would be as wide as our Sun? Is that based on anything? It also seems like a gigantic waste of energy.

I'm using a hypothetical example. I'm not saying the diamond beam is Sun sized. I'm just saying that if a beam is much bigger than a planet and can destroy the planet, then it should logically be applicable for inverse square law.

 

[Dalesean027]

No, no, I'm using a hypothetical example. I'm not saying the diamond beam is Sun sized. I'm just saying that if a beam is much bigger than a planet and can destroy the planet, then it should logically be applicable for inverse square law.

It's not that the beam was as big as a planet, the beam just illuminated the entire Earth and Moon that's what we wanted calc'd before the energy required for that illumination then it somehow moved to inverse square law and now we've moved on again. If we're going to backtrack then I'd suggest we updated the previous illumination calc to fit the actual distance the blast moved and other than that we could simply just get a new calc for the feat

 

[Antvasima]

We can obviously only scale from the actual displayed effects of the beam, as it did not remotely destroy the Earth, and we cannot speculate about it being much wider, without any evidence of this.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

We can obviously only scale from the actual displayed effects of the beam, as it did not remotely destroy the Earth, and we cannot speculate about it being much wider, without any evidence of this.

Attack Potency and Destructive Capacity are two different things Ant

 

[Antvasima]

So what? We still cannot wank statistics based on pure guesswork. Or at least we definitely shouldn't.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

So what? We still cannot wank statistics based on pure guesswork. Or at least we definitely shouldn't.

Mogo illuminating the universe didnt wipe out solar systems yet hes 4-B

Necrozma illuminating ultra-space didnt destroy the universe yet he's High 3-A

 

[Arceus0x]

i think ant wants evidence that the beam is legit light...i think

cause necrozma is clearly using light, same with mogo

 

[WeeklyBattles]

i think ant wants evidence that the beam is legit light...i think

cause necrozma is clearly using light, same with mogo

Gems have at this point dozens of statements of being made of natural light, and light projections used by gems have the properties of light including reflecting off of nonmagical reflective surfaces, being stated by genius character with extensive scientific backgrounds [Pearl and Peridot] to be natural light, and being stated by the guidebook and in the show to be made of photons

 

[Arceus0x]

that would make sense for energy output

 

[Dalesean027]

again you're saying this about an alien race that uses galaxy warps to traverse throughout sperate galaxies and has Massively FTL and Lightspeed travel and attacks widely available to them.

I'm simply going to reiterate this as well

Gems have at this point dozens of statements of being made of natural light, and light projections used by gems have the properties of light including reflecting off of nonmagical reflective surfaces, being stated by genius character with extensive scientific backgrounds [Pearl and Peridot] to be natural light, and being stated by the guidebook and in the show to be made of photons

Along with this, if this is about light at this point we can easily pull as WeeklyBattles has said dozens of statements of gems being light and using light.

 

[Antvasima]

I want evidence that it wasn't an almost straight energy beam focused on the Earth. If it had been an omnidirectional blast, it would have affected all Gem beings in at least two galaxies.

 

[Dalesean027]

I want evidence that it wasn't an almost straight energy beam focused on the Earth. If it had been an omnidirectional blast, it would have affected all Gem beings in at least two galaxies.

I'm sorry Ant but who has proposed that it was a omnidirectional beam? it was aimed straight at Earth

 

[Dalesean027]

It's not that the beam was as big as a planet, the beam just illuminated the entire Earth and Moon

I've already said as much the beam isn't omnidirectional nor does dwarf celestial bodies with it's size

 

[Antvasima]

Well, Weekly used Mogo as an example, and that was an omnidirectional light source.

 

[Antvasima]

Also, if you think that it was a straight beam, why would we use the inverse square law?

 

[Dalesean027]

Also, if you think that it was a straight beam, why would we use the inverse square law?

To whom is this directed I thought we already established that we've moved on from that

Well, Weekly used Mogo as an example, and that was an omnidirectional light source.

And I don't believe Weekly's point was that it's omnidirectional but moreso that we take the illumination as ap(I don't know much about this mogo feat so I can't speak on it).

Personally I'm tired of backtracking and I'm sure you are too I'd rather the calc team be ready to get the initial calc's in while in communication to get the details right and that we get the best method and calcs that way.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, the calc group members that I asked earlier do not seem interested, and as far as I am personally concerned, this has been rejected.

 

[Vizer04]

Is this dead?

 

[Oleggator]

Is this dead?

Well, no but we quite stuck.

 

[Antvasima]

Was this rejected, or do I misremember?

 

[Oleggator]

I remember there was debate about legitimacy of feat and well, then we decided to use some already used calcs different versions, one blog so calc members evaluated and decided right version.
And then nobody came.

That's how I remember this.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[Vizer04]

Bump?