Star Wars Discussion Thread Canon/Legends- Episode V Attack of the Fanons

[Oliver_de_jesus]

But we can give Abeloth mid godly regen just like the ones?

idk where would you get that from

 

[Kenny Mccormick 0v0]

idk where would you get that from

From the son, the daughter and the father

 

[ByAsura]

I think Oliver is asking what feat warrants that level of regen.

 

[Kenny Mccormick 0v0]

idk where would you get that from

the ones embodies the Dark Side and Light Side and it must be destroyed to truly kill them

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

the ones embodies the Dark Side and Light Side and it must be destroyed to truly kill them

That is just AE, no regen

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Sand vs High Ground, who wins?

 

[Soldier_Blue]

Sand vs High Ground, who wins?

Obviously high ground.

 

[Abu2411]

Obviously high ground.

Bro what about sand dunes? Hills (high ground) made from sand (Sand)!

 

[ByAsura]

Tusken Raiders shot the racers in TPM from canyons, not sand dunes, so high ground > sand.

 

[Abu2411]

Tusken Raiders shot the racers in TPM from canyons, not sand dunes, so high ground > sand.

The canyons were made out of sand though. There's sand on the canyons. So yeah high ground + sand = unbeatable.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

 

[Soldier_Blue]

The canyons were made out of sand though. There's sand on the canyons. So yeah high ground + sand = unbeatable.

Canyon tops may be covered in sand from erosion and wind-blown sand deposits, but they're still vertical masses of rock. That's high ground.

 

[Abu2411]

Canyon tops may be covered in sand from erosion and wind-blown sand deposits, but they're still vertical masses of rock. That's high ground.

I clearly stated that sand + high ground is unbeatable, which is exactly what the Tusken Raiders used.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Question is homelessness common on coruscant?

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Which city has a high poverty/homeless rate in star wars

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Which city has a high poverty/homeless rate in star wars

Maybe Tatooine(?)

 

[Soldier_Blue]

Question is homelessness common on coruscant?

Yes. There is actually rampant poverty and crime in the lower levels.

Which city has a high poverty/homeless rate in star wars

Probably Coruscant itself. Others that come to mind are Taris, Nal Hutta, Jakku, Tatooine, Nar Shaddaa, Corellia, Crucival.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Plo Koon or Kit Fisto?

and tell me why Kit Fisto isnt kicking Plo's ass :^)

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

For those wondering about Tales of the Jedi:
Padawan Qui Gon Jinn will be voiced by Liam Neeson's son. Old Qui Gon Jinn will be voiced by Liam Neesons himself.

I still hate that Filoni used the title TOTJ for this show.

 

[LordTracer]

Plo Koon or Kit Fisto?

and tell me why Kit Fisto isnt kicking Plo's ass :^)

Plo because I’m biased :smug:

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Plo because I’m biased :smug:

Your now on Kit Fisto's Hit listo

 

[LordTracer]

Your now on Kit Fisto's Hit listo

Kit got outsold by Shaak Ti and Ki-Adi Mundi, I fear

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Playing the skywalker saga and I honestly love the visual worldbuilding of Jakku

 

[Soldier_Blue]

Plo Koon or Kit Fisto?

and tell me why Kit Fisto isnt kicking Plo's ass :^)

Plo Koon was regarded as a potentially difficult opponent by Maul and he didn't get knocked out by Gary Anthony Williams.

 

[Abu2411]

Does Canon Plo have stuff like alter Environment, electric judgement etc. ?

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

would it have been a better idea if the jedi did not join the clone wars but instead worked behind the scenes?


i got it from this guy on quora who says this about anakin's training (question was "How did the Jedi Order bungle Anakin's training?")


They didn’t bungle his training. If anything, he was given more freedom, autonomy, and guidance than any other Jedi. Hell, he was commanding as a general during the Clone Wars as a teenager. He was sparring with masters as a child. His training was pretty much complete before things went to shit. But, they did drop the ball a few times:

1. The Jedi should never have been involved in the Clone War, much less serving as military commanders. They should have been behind the scenes, doing what they could to save lives and manage relief efforts. Yoda knew this. The other masters knew it, too. Anakin was too young to shoulder the burden of being a commanding officer during a long, bloody, and tragic conflict. He should have been settling trade disputes, arbitrating disagreements, and chasing down pirates with Ahsoka: Not leading countless young men to their deaths. They all knew he couldn’t handle what was being pressed upon him, but… the war. The war was also teaching Anakin that power solves problems.
2. They turned a blind eye to Anakin’s relationship with Padme. Yes, they knew. Why? Because his skills made him invaluable to the war effort. Plus, they knew she was as good as a person gets; so maybe she would have a positive influence on Anakin.
3. Anakin’s knowing his own status as the “Chosen One”. The Jedi ranks were shrinking and the council knew there was a Sith presence in the mix. They would likely need Anakin’s skills to thwart this Sith Master. They needed him, but failed to actually tell him how valuable he really was. They were worried about feeding his ego, but Palpatine stepped in and did that for them.
4. We can NOT underestimate Palpatine’s influence over Anakin. Without Palpatine whispering in his ear, creating doubt in his heart, and manipulating every aspect of his life; Anakin would have likely grown and taken Yoda’s place as the Master of the Council. Without Palpatine pulling the strings, Anakin likely would have become what the Jedi hoped he would be.
5. Not taking him to see his mother. Or, conversely, failing to act to end slavery in the galaxy. They were breaking their own rules by training someone as old as Anakin, so they should have given him more time with his mother. Do you think the Raiders would have dared touch her, had they know who she actually was? If nothing else, they could have placed her under Jedi protection. Yes, I realize this would have given Palpatine another avenue of control over Anakin, but it all started with her death.

this guys answer right?

 

[Abu2411]

would it have been a better idea if the jedi did not join the clone wars but instead worked behind the scenes?


i got it from this guy on quora who says this about anakin's training (question was "How did the Jedi Order bungle Anakin's training?")


They didn’t bungle his training. If anything, he was given more freedom, autonomy, and guidance than any other Jedi. Hell, he was commanding as a general during the Clone Wars as a teenager. He was sparring with masters as a child. His training was pretty much complete before things went to shit. But, they did drop the ball a few times:

1. The Jedi should never have been involved in the Clone War, much less serving as military commanders. They should have been behind the scenes, doing what they could to save lives and manage relief efforts. Yoda knew this. The other masters knew it, too. Anakin was too young to shoulder the burden of being a commanding officer during a long, bloody, and tragic conflict. He should have been settling trade disputes, arbitrating disagreements, and chasing down pirates with Ahsoka: Not leading countless young men to their deaths. They all knew he couldn’t handle what was being pressed upon him, but… the war. The war was also teaching Anakin that power solves problems.
2. They turned a blind eye to Anakin’s relationship with Padme. Yes, they knew. Why? Because his skills made him invaluable to the war effort. Plus, they knew she was as good as a person gets; so maybe she would have a positive influence on Anakin.
3. Anakin’s knowing his own status as the “Chosen One”. The Jedi ranks were shrinking and the council knew there was a Sith presence in the mix. They would likely need Anakin’s skills to thwart this Sith Master. They needed him, but failed to actually tell him how valuable he really was. They were worried about feeding his ego, but Palpatine stepped in and did that for them.
4. We can NOT underestimate Palpatine’s influence over Anakin. Without Palpatine whispering in his ear, creating doubt in his heart, and manipulating every aspect of his life; Anakin would have likely grown and taken Yoda’s place as the Master of the Council. Without Palpatine pulling the strings, Anakin likely would have become what the Jedi hoped he would be.
5. Not taking him to see his mother. Or, conversely, failing to act to end slavery in the galaxy. They were breaking their own rules by training someone as old as Anakin, so they should have given him more time with his mother. Do you think the Raiders would have dared touch her, had they know who she actually was? If nothing else, they could have placed her under Jedi protection. Yes, I realize this would have given Palpatine another avenue of control over Anakin, but it all started with her death.

this guys answer right?

It's an OK answer i suppose, but it fails when asking how exactly the Jedi were meant to not participate in the Clone Wars, since they're legally bound to the Republic. The Order being forced to compromise on its morals is what Palpatine was betting on.

Also, ending slavery in the entire galaxy as a whole is just not logistically possible. How are just 10,000 jedi supposed to stop slaveryin a galaxy of trillions? They can't. If anything, this is a criticism you can place on the Republic, but not the Jedi.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

It's an OK answer i suppose, but it fails when asking how exactly the Jedi were meant to not participate in the Clone Wars, since they're legally bound to the Republic. The Order being forced to compromise on its morals is what Palpatine was betting on.

Also, ending slavery in the entire galaxy as a whole is just not logistically possible. How are just 10,000 jedi supposed to stop slaveryin a galaxy of trillions? They can't. If anything, this is a criticism you can place on the Republic, but not the Jedi.

well this guy called ben did say this on "what was wrong with the jedi order before order 66"






Many things.

First off, the Jedi were way too involved in Galactic affairs. The Jedi’s philosophy only works when practiced by isolationist monks. However, the Jedi chose to involve themselves in galaxy-spanning events regularly.

A great example of this is that between 1,400 BBY and 1,000 BBY in Legends, there was not a single non-Jedi chancellor of the Republic. The Jedi were also involved in the Stark-Hyperspace War, the Yinchorri Uprising, the Battle of Galidran, and many more.

Why is this a problem? Well, the Jedi Code preaches non-violence, peace, and harmony. None of these are present in wars and politics. By just becoming involved in this, the Jedi betrayed their fundamental code.

This also pertained to the Clone Wars. When the Jedi decided to join the Clone Wars, they had already lost. The Clone Wars caused massive casualties and deaths, and it was impossible to become completely emotionless and at peace when civilians are being slaughtered and mortar shells are exploding in the distance.

The Jedi had also become radicalized. In the Bane Trilogy, Bane and Zannah joke that in 1,000 years, the Jedi would be training infants. The two Sith Lords had no idea how right they were. The Jedi had slowly sunk into extremism, which began to show its effects by the time of the prequels.

The Jedi also disallowed attachments, which is stupid. People naturally gravitate to others. Instead of preaching no attachments, the Jedi should have set up resources for people to manage attachments. Policemen and such have attachments, but it usually won’t impact their work.

Finally, the Jedi had become complacent. In Legends, a Sith Lord 200 years before the prequels had allowed the Jedi to feel the Sith’s presence. The Jedi did nothing, and allowed the Sith to sneak into the highest office of the Republic. Without fighting a Sith for 1,000 years, the Jedi didn’t know what to do when a real Sith appeared.

So, that is what was wrong with the Jedi before Order 66. They weren’t the bad guys or evil like some people claim, but they were seriously flawed.

 

[Abu2411]

well this guy called ben did say this on "what was wrong with the jedi order before order 66"






Many things.

First off, the Jedi were way too involved in Galactic affairs. The Jedi’s philosophy only works when practiced by isolationist monks. However, the Jedi chose to involve themselves in galaxy-spanning events regularly.

A great example of this is that between 1,400 BBY and 1,000 BBY in Legends, there was not a single non-Jedi chancellor of the Republic. The Jedi were also involved in the Stark-Hyperspace War, the Yinchorri Uprising, the Battle of Galidran, and many more.

Why is this a problem? Well, the Jedi Code preaches non-violence, peace, and harmony. None of these are present in wars and politics. By just becoming involved in this, the Jedi betrayed their fundamental code.

This also pertained to the Clone Wars. When the Jedi decided to join the Clone Wars, they had already lost. The Clone Wars caused massive casualties and deaths, and it was impossible to become completely emotionless and at peace when civilians are being slaughtered and mortar shells are exploding in the distance.

The Jedi had also become radicalized. In the Bane Trilogy, Bane and Zannah joke that in 1,000 years, the Jedi would be training infants. The two Sith Lords had no idea how right they were. The Jedi had slowly sunk into extremism, which began to show its effects by the time of the prequels.

The Jedi also disallowed attachments, which is stupid. People naturally gravitate to others. Instead of preaching no attachments, the Jedi should have set up resources for people to manage attachments. Policemen and such have attachments, but it usually won’t impact their work.

Finally, the Jedi had become complacent. In Legends, a Sith Lord 200 years before the prequels had allowed the Jedi to feel the Sith’s presence. The Jedi did nothing, and allowed the Sith to sneak into the highest office of the Republic. Without fighting a Sith for 1,000 years, the Jedi didn’t know what to do when a real Sith appeared.

So, that is what was wrong with the Jedi before Order 66. They weren’t the bad guys or evil like some people claim, but they were seriously flawed.

This one gets so much wrong.

First off, Legends tends to go its own way separate from Lucas's vision. For Lucas, the Jedi are "the most moral of anyone in the galaxy". In legends, other writers have different opinions (**** you Karen traviss). Regarding, the Clone wars, honestly the situation would have been worse had the Jedi not intervened. TCW tv shows this straight up.

The Jedi also do not preach non-violence, they preach self-defence. This is told to us by Yoda as early as ESB.

Also this guy completely misunderstands what attachment means in this context. Attachment does not mean "gravitating towards others" the Jedi already do that. They have strong bonds with each other. Attachment is possessing another person for your own selfish desire and not being able to let go, which is what led to Anakin's downfall in the end.

At this point, you're better off reading that well written post debunking most of the common anti-jedi talking points:

 

[ByAsura]

It's worth noting that many Jedi relied less directly on the Force's guidance during TCW, since literally the entire galaxy was getting consumed by the dark side.

This is why Qui-Gon, whose highly philosophical view of the Force was highly unconventional, was such a big loss. Keep in mind, he even retained a somewhat modified version of these philosophies after becoming a Force Ghost (which allowed him to see/understand the Force as a whole far beyond an individual Jedi), lending a lot of credence to his beliefs.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

It's worth noting that many Jedi relied less directly on the Force's guidance during TCW, since literally the entire galaxy was getting consumed by the dark side.

This is why Qui-Gon, whose highly philosophical view of the Force was highly unconventional, was such a big loss. Keep in mind, he even retained a somewhat modified version of these philosophies after becoming a Force Ghost (which allowed him to see/understand the Force as a whole far beyond an individual Jedi), lending a lot of credence to his beliefs.

wasn't qui-gon against the jedi order sometimes like he disobeyed it sometimes. something like that.

 

[Abu2411]

wasn't qui-gon against the jedi order sometimes like he disobeyed it sometimes. something like that.

Yeah he disagreed with the council, but it should be mentioned that the council offered him a spot because of his unique views. They still valued him as a Jedi.

 

[ByAsura]

IIRC, even Yoda would often seek him out when he was still alive.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

IIRC, even Yoda would often seek him out when he was still alive.

speaking of yoda didn't he kill his best friend aka that king alaric guy. (they were in the garden talking about the republic and politics)


alaric made good points about the republic being corrupted and how his nephew become a corrupt politician. (said nephew conspired to kill him) that's why he joined the separatists.

yoda didn't care and he was forced to kill him.

 

[ByAsura]

It's not that Yoda didn't care. It was self-defence.

Basically, he strong-armed Yoda into killing him so Sephi would join the Separatists.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

It's not that Yoda didn't care. It was self-defence.

Basically, he strong-armed Yoda into killing him so Sephi would join the Separatists.

did alaric have a point?

 

[ByAsura]

That depends on the reader, but I'd say yes, especially given what Alaric's nephew was doing.

I encourage you to read the comic if you can find it for free (I can only link panels).

It wasn't as if Yoda simply broke in and tried to force him because of politics, btw. The Sephi had been fed false information and attacked first.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

That depends on the reader, but I'd say yes, especially given what Alaric's nephew was doing.

I encourage you to read the comic if you can find it for free (I can only link panels).

It wasn't as if Yoda simply broke in and tried to force him because of politics, btw. The Sephi had been fed false information and attacked first.

are there other times where yoda was wrong or couldn't come up with a rebuttal?

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

 

[Soldier_Blue]

It's an OK answer i suppose, but it fails when asking how exactly the Jedi were meant to not participate in the Clone Wars, since they're legally bound to the Republic. The Order being forced to compromise on its morals is what Palpatine was betting on.

Also, ending slavery in the entire galaxy as a whole is just not logistically possible. How are just 10,000 jedi supposed to stop slaveryin a galaxy of trillions? They can't. If anything, this is a criticism you can place on the Republic, but not the Jedi.

I agree on the slavery bit. The blame rests solely on the Republic for having a pitiful law enforcement presence and relying on 10,000 monks to keep order in a civilization spanning 100,000 light-years and with a likely population of hundreds of quadrillions.

Does Canon Plo have stuff like alter Environment, electric judgement etc. ?

I don't think so.

This one gets so much wrong.

First off, Legends tends to go its own way separate from Lucas's vision. For Lucas, the Jedi are "the most moral of anyone in the galaxy". In legends, other writers have different opinions (**** you Karen traviss). Regarding, the Clone wars, honestly the situation would have been worse had the Jedi not intervened. TCW tv shows this straight up.

The Jedi also do not preach non-violence, they preach self-defence. This is told to us by Yoda as early as ESB.

Also this guy completely misunderstands what attachment means in this context. Attachment does not mean "gravitating towards others" the Jedi already do that. They have strong bonds with each other. Attachment is possessing another person for your own selfish desire and not being able to let go, which is what led to Anakin's downfall in the end.

At this point, you're better off reading that well written post debunking most of the common anti-jedi talking points:

That was quite the read.