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Soul King pulls up in Dragon Ball Xenoverse

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........ not accepted ........ we all know that's false. RC gets re-accepted every other week when someone claims it's wank and/or isn't a thing which is continually proven to be very much a thing. Being staff means jack all. AKM (staff member) said RC can be resisted by sheer physicality even if one lacks soul hax resistance. Does that somehow make his word more relevant than the multiple scans that were brought forth to contradict his ridiculous assertion? No it does not. Similarly, the word of any staff means nothing to the half dozen threads where RC was accepted and will continue to mean nothing on the subject until a CRT successfully disproves RC.
 
It's accepted, it is even on ichigo profile.

some people complaining about it, will not change anything.

verse equalisation doesn't grant resistance, it's a wiki rule.
 
5-B Orihime and Chad for standing near Yhwach and Ichigo lol. The notion that Reiatsu Crush can be resisted through sheer AP is asinine. Honestly we need a discussion rule on this subject, if Yhwach being 5-B was able to pass as a discussion rule then this should be considering it's much more beaten to death.
 
Sigurd Snake in The Eye said:
It's funny because you asked for a link to where it was accepted a week or 2 ago. I gave it you and yet here you are asking where again lmfao?
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A thread thats:

-Old

-Unfinished

-Had not one single staff member that accepted it's current use in vs threads

-Came out long before AKM debunked it in the energy equalization thread we had, like, 2 or so months ago?

I can see why its so relevant right?
 
The Prince of Counters said:
The staff never rejected Reiatsu Crush, they just accepts caveats which Reiatsu doesn't have, and until you prove it does and get said caveat accepted ( new flash, it won't. ) that thread was about enegry equalization, not a thread about Reiatsu. Stop drawing your own conclusions Kukui.
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And your wrong because Bleach was at the forefront of the caveat rule and it was added to prevent arguments like reiatsu crush coming up. As stated in this thread, and this one .

So no, im not drawing any conclusions here. Im going off of the word of the staff that debunked it and claimed its rejected. Not my fault that you dont agree with them.
 
Oh look Kukui saying AKM debunked it despite that not being the case. Again, your drawing your own conclusions. These arguments you've been using are downright delusional.
 
The Prince of Counters said:
Oh look Kukui saying AKM debunked it despite that not being the case. Again, your drawing your own conclusions. These arguments you've been using are downright delusional.
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"Despite that not being the case" when AKM directly says it is isn't delusional now?
 
The Prince of Counters said:
What AKM says is irrelevant, he hasn't read the series and knows nothing of Bleach. For the enitre thread AKM dodged Imade's comments like a ******* bullet and never once debunked him.
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And yet he says the exact oppposite is what happened. I linked the threads where you can see this for yourself.

So instead of sitting her attacking me, why dont you actually address the person who quite obviously goes against what you guys think is fact?
 
> AKM asks Soldier Blue about Reiatsu Crush since he was a Bleach expert

> Soldier Blue says Imade is more knowledgeable then him

> Imade explains how it works

> AKM ignores and says Soldier Blue is more correct

> ProfKuck says it was debunked

Omegalul
 
The topic of this thread (which should honestly be closed) doesnt matter anymore since its beyond derail at this point.

AKM for multiple of the current bleach threads has blatantly stated RC being soul hax is not accepted. He claims he debunked it, that multliple staff and people sided with him, it's rejected and the caveat rule extends to bleach's reiatsu crush. If you don't agree with him, then actually address HIS arguments and stop sitting here complaining to me or any other user who goes off what he says is the accepted rule.
 
"He claims he debunked it." is literally your only ******* argument. I read the thread and he hasn't, matter of fact he never replied to Imade regarding a damn thing. Your lying in order to make it seem like your argument are founded.
 
lol I was in the thread and even agreed with the thread, what you're saying is nonsense. Elizhaa added in what AKM said about the caveats, and completely disagreed with his interperation of how it worked at every turn.

IMade

Soul Resistance:

  • Example: A character sucks out the souls from a tow, regular people (who have little to no Reiryoku) had their souls sucked out, Tatsuki (a character who has little Reiryoku, enough to perceive the supernatural but not enough to have supernatural abilities) is incapacitated by the ability with her soul intact and characters like Chad and Orihime (who have a notable amount of Reiryoku to the point they have supernatural abilities) are unaffected by the ability.
  • Verse/Energy Equalization does not grant you this.
2) Supernatural Senses:

  • Those with a notable amount of Reiryoku can see the supernatural.
  • Regular people with little to no Reiryoku can not see the supernatural.
  • Verse/Energy Equalization does not grant you this.
3) Extra Senses (Called Reiraku and Reikaku in Bleach):

4) Reiatsu (Which has Several Abilities in Bleach):



Equalizing energy does not grant you the abilities of the equalized energy nor the resistances of the equalized energy because at that point you have changed the powers of the character and the match is no longer accurate. We have had a thread involving stuff discussing Reiatsu Crush and Energy Equalization as well and it was agreed that Reiatsu Crush's soul manipulation does not get equalized nor resisted because Reiatsu Crush is an ability, a soul manipulation ability and you need resistace to it to resist it just like any other ability.
 
As if a claim is a factual piece of evidence, and a false claim at that. I can claim that I can run a mile in less than 2 minutes, it doesn't mean I can. And in that very same thread AKM says that Reiryoku is AP. Which couldn't be more wrong unless you wanna imply Chad and Orihime are 5-B for standing next to Yhwach. Again, this claim is completely asinine, you have zero proof for a caveat existing for Bleach's Reiatsu, and ultimately this strikes me as you intentionally trying to stir things up for whatever reason. Every Bleach thread you partake in is always controversial due to the amount of repetitive arguements you make once every two weeks.
 
I don't need to Kukui, AKM is objectively wrong. If someone tells me 4 + 4 equals 20 I'm not gonna discuss it with them because they're objectively wrong. I've read the thread through and through and AKM never debunked Imade. If you wanna try to argue then make your argument less reliant than "WELL AKM SAID SO!" that's a defense a child takes, not a legitimate counterargument.


If you have nothing else to say then we're done here. You've been debunked and now your just flopping from every argument you can possibly think of.
 
Simply stating he's "objectively wrong" and trying to pass it off as fact isnt how this works. I don't care if what im doing isn't an argument (im not even the one whos arguing here, im going off the word of a higher up who claims the standard is debunked) or if you think he's wrong. That's something that you, again, need to take up with him instead of me.
 
I don't care if what im doing isn't an argument (im not even the one whos arguing here, im going off the word of a higher up who claims the standard is debunked)

so what you're doing is appeal to authority...?

Thank you for admitting this.
 
If the said person claims its debunked, and that his argument was accepted, then yes I very much am going off of his word.

Meaning, im not the person you need to be discussing this with. AKM is. Which ive said for the past 7 times already.
 
Your word about AKM's knowledge on Bleach doesnt matter. The fact of the matter is, you need to take up your disagreements with him instead of pointlessly attacking me.

It's getting you nowhere.
 
I know how horrible the Bleach fanbase is, but I'll still give my opinion.

First, I find this Sigurd text completely strange. But in my understanding... No one will acquire skills of their own energy, that is to deviate completely from the agenda. For example, equalizing energies with Naruto, DBZ and another verse, will not make anyone able to manipulate elements or go flying, it requires knowledge of the characters. However, any weakness of the energy is taken into account. For example :

  • I saw it several times on this Wikia, people arguing that characters can just get out of Genjutsu, by stirring up their internal energy or by inflicting pain on themselves. That would be possible, it is a weakness of normal Genjutsu.
  • Or that, characters resist the Haoshoku Haki (which is objectively and ACCEPTED in this wiki as Empathic and Willpower Manipulation), they achieve this not because they have resistance, but because they have a strong willpower.
A curious point... Is that it is literally said (as far as I remember, at least) that Tatsuki acquired a little more of Reiryoko than an ordinary human, for being constantly bombarded by Ichigo's Reiatsu, when he did not control her correctly ( which, as far as I can remember, was already very high for Ichigo's Reiatsu) and so, she was able to resist Yammi. Which leads me to believe that ... You don't even need to have comparable Reiryoko/Reiatsu... You just need to have a little more Reiryoko than an ordinary person, who is already safe from devastating abilities and effects within Bleach. And if that is really true, it is a WEAKNESS of skills, not resistance. It is no different from Haoshoku or Genjutsu.
 
There's no point in arguing with Kukui and derailing this thread.

Kukui believes AKM and that's fine. It's just wrong because the results of the thread didnt change Reiatsu, it solely detailed out Energy Equalizatuon rules but didn't touch Reiatsu itself.

Reiatsu still functions as it does until a CRT is made to debunk jt.

The Energy Equalizatiom rule change stated that all energies are equalized to be able to interact, but no resistances or abilities are shared; however, if said ability has a weakness or caveat then that is equalized.

That last part is what AKM added and what we all agreed on.

What AKM dosen't realize or remember is that Reiatsu wasn't affected by that because it's currently accepted that Reiatsu =/= AP/Durability.

You need a CRT to disprove Reiatsu.

Now close this thread, it's been derailed for too long.
 
IMade, the pics I gave dont lie. AKM says the exact opposite of everything you just said. That a thread to accept RC is what needs to be made, that its not accepted and that his argument aganst it is whats been accepted. I dont know how many times I need to repeat this before you guys stop replying with "he's wrong", "his arguments wrong", or "what he says doesnt matter".

Its not my fault or my problem that a staff member directly says you guys are the ones who are uninformed of whats been accepted. If you dont agree with AKM, then you need to discuss this with him instead of sitting here claiming he's wrong and attacking me over it.
 
> AKM says the exact opposite of everything you just said. That a thread to accept RC is what needs to be made

Do you think it was just slapped on the profiles with no crt?
 
What one staff member says doesn't automatically make it valid to use as a point, staff members can be wrong. Especially if said staff member has no idea regarding the series.
 
Alright, I'll try to ignore the uneeded derailing and ask the crux of the issue...

Is the potency of the crush ever mentioned in any of the profiles? If yes, then a crt is needed to change it. If not, then a crt is needed to define it.
 
Listentomyrhytm said:
feels like this thread was made just to discuss RC since Soul King stomps with almost everything.
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Literally not that at all. This was made as a regular match until AKM pointed out RC the way its been used is rejected and people opposing him, which sturred the discussion.
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
Alright, I'll try to ignore the uneeded derailing and ask the crux of the issue...
Is the potency of the crush ever mentioned in any of the profiles? If yes, then a crt is needed to change it. If not, then a crt is needed to define it.
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The potency isn't what's being argued here really.

Some people think it has some sort of caveat where anyone stronger can no sell it. Which would also mean that person is = equal to said person via their logic.
 
EmperorRorepme said:
What one staff member says doesn't automatically make it valid to use as a point, staff members can be wrong. Especially if said staff member has no idea regarding the series.
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Obviously they can be wrong.

But he directly states he was never debunked, multiple staff and people agreed with him, and that RC was included in the caveat rule. If he's wrong, thats up to the people who disagree to dispute him. Not sit here and complain.
 
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