Some Gen 4 Legendary Revisions

[The_real_cal_howard]

Not CT related, or at least directly. It doesn't affect them. Just those who scale.

Aight, I've been thinking about the tierings of of the Lake Trio and Lunar Duo. Their tier 6 stats are unneeded. For the former, the three together are capable of equaling Dialga or Palkia, which would be either High 3-A or Low 2-C (given how high the trio are in Low 2-C). To be safe, I'd put "At least High 3-A, likely Low 2-C", and they have no need for a tab. They also created all spirits in the universe (unsure if Ultra Beasts count tho), and off-planet life does exist. Not sure if this is a feat of that caliber though...

For the Lunar Duo, Darkrai just has too many tier 2 feats for us to even scale him to Mewtwo. Like, other than that one "fight" (can you even call it that? It was just one collision), Darkrai doesn't have a single feat under Low 2-C. Consistently fought Dialga and Palkia (though is definitely weaker), is much stronger than the Lake Trio in the MD games, and even has a merging universe feat. Also, iirc, some manga has him being used to cover the world in darkness, when world is being used as > earth (could be wrong about how it's used, but World is definitely used)

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Seems fine to me. This reminds me of a Darkrai fight.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

I vaguely remember Darkrai fighting Giratina too but since I never read the Gen 4 advantures manga I have no proof of that and can be VERY wrong.

Anyways, this looks good to me. I support.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

So...anyone else? Can't really make this revision yet...

 

[PaChi2]

I agree with this.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Btw this reminds me to make another little thread for Dialga and Palkia later on.

If you guys ever get the chance, plz stop on by.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Also Cal, given how Hao Asakura for example is rated as a possible 3-A for ruling all spirits in the universe, im pretty sure the Lake Trios feat of creating all spirit alone can be better than that.

 

[Dark649]

Darkrai did:

- Arceus says to him that his power is strong. [Game]

- Fought with Palkia and Dialga and considerably damaged them in the manga. [Movie]

- Corrupted Dialga into Primal Dialga and survived a Special Rend from Palkia. [Mistery Dungeon]

- Merging two universes is a 2-C feat. Darkrai has indeed higher tier 2 feat than the 6 one.

 

[NeoZex6399]

The official art also links Darkrai with Dialga and Palkia.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

- Arceus says to him that his power is strong. [Game]

Wait really???

 

[NeoZex6399]

@Kukui

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwy7cU8Fgzo

8:11

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

I agree with this change, if that matters.

 

[NeoZex6399]

Cool, I agree with this too, although it was pretty obvious my position from the beginning :^)

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

Should Cresselia scale?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Yes

 

[NeoZex6399]

Probably because Cresselia is his counterpart.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

Nevermind, I see she already has. :0

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Bump

 

[NeoZex6399]

By the way, Darkrai should have Time Travel and Portal Creation, because it planned to escape using a temporal portal.

 

[Kaltias]

Isn't merging 2 universes 2-C instead of Low 2-C?

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Yeah and I'm fairly certain some people here are rated 2-C for doing that too.

So Darkrai needs to be upgraded.

 

[Dark649]

Yeah and I'm fairly certain some people here are rated 2-C for doing that too.

Dormammu, Mira, FF11 Shinryu, Eggwizard and etc.

 

[NeoZex6399]

The Creation Trio would scale to that feat?

 

[PaChi2]

Wasnt dormammu upgraded to 2-A? Or am I misremembering?

 

[Kaltias]

@Neo

I don't remember how the fight was, but if they weren't stomped they should

@PaChi

Nah, still 2-C, I think that the upgrade will come later

 

[PaChi2]

Palkia and Dialga stomped darkrai iirc.

 

[Kaltias]

Doesn't really look like a stomp to me. He tanked their attacks and even stalemated/intercepted one from Palkia with its own

 

[PaChi2]

Well yeah, I misremembered it. But darkrai's attacks only made Dialga and palkia flinch at best. And he also was knocked down after tanking Time Roar.

 

[Kaltias]

Yeah, my point was that it wasn't stomped. Also I mean, scaling the CT to 2-C is also a possibility. It isn't like they put effort in their Low 2-C feats anyway

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

The 2-C feat is a pokepark feat iirc but it could still scale since Dialga and Palkia should logically exist in the pokepark world, even if they arent physically seen right?

Also Darkrai did more than that he even stopped both Roar of Time and Spacial Rend Simutaneously before being defeated.

 

[PaChi2]

Stopping both attacks nearly kills him, tho.

 

[Kaltias]

I mean, he still scales to Low 2-C given how far into the tier Dialga and Palkia are, or they scale to 2-C if it's accepted as such

 

[PaChi2]

Yeah, he scales, that's a given.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Nah I think it was more stopping both the attacks AND them most likely.

Dialga and Palkia were completely restricted inside his barrier field.

But yeah.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Also, iirc from the pokepark game, Darkrai's 2-C feat is very casual.

 

[Kaltias]

That's still 2-C because it's casual but is baseline

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Hmm fair.

Who should make the changes?

 

[Kaltias]

I still want to hear a few more opinions about scaling the CT to 2-C first

 

[PaChi2]

"At least Low 2-C, possibly 2-C" could work, I guess.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

>the creation trio

>not scaling

I dont see why they wouldnt, they clearly exist in that canon.