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I agree with Prom.Promestein said:
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Some Gen 4 Legendary Revisions
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In the beginning, there was only a churning turmoil of chaos. At the heart of chaos, where all things became one, appeared an Egg. Having tumbled from the vortex, the Egg gave rise to the Original One. From itself, two beings the Original One did make. Time started to spin. Space began to expand. From itself again, three living things the Original One did make. The two beings wished, and from them, matter came to be. The three living things wished, and from them, spirit came to be. The world created, the Original One took to unyielding sleep...
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Woot woot. I'm happy.
But to give people options (mine is the MG regen), you could instead say it's Type 8 immortality and abstract existence (w/o being a concept) via being nothingness and logically, as nothingness is always both everywhere and nowhere, wiping out Arceus, or even everything with it just recreates the circumstances of its birth and a new Arceus will pop out of the "heart of chaos" (center or source of nothingness) in literal no time.
Mid Godly sounds better and less ambitious to me, but now that I think about it, abstract existence would apply for both.
But to give people options (mine is the MG regen), you could instead say it's Type 8 immortality and abstract existence (w/o being a concept) via being nothingness and logically, as nothingness is always both everywhere and nowhere, wiping out Arceus, or even everything with it just recreates the circumstances of its birth and a new Arceus will pop out of the "heart of chaos" (center or source of nothingness) in literal no time.
Mid Godly sounds better and less ambitious to me, but now that I think about it, abstract existence would apply for both.
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But who's to say it can do that? Ie recreate it's birth?
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My gripe is with the lack of causal connection between all things coming into one and the egg appearing,The real cal howard said:Thank you for your analysis, Aguila. However...
Heart likely means center. Maybe source. Besides, everything is nothing currently, and therefore the same location. All things become one at said heart.
Pretty sure the fact that the Myth about Arceus and creation has the parts about how it came to be (appeared an egg) is the most essential part.
The way the sentence is worded suggests that the egg appeared after all things that were at the beginning had already become one, so the egg couldn't have come from nothingness as nothingness was all there was, and we are told all of it has already become one.
I break it down like this:
"In the beginning, there was only a churning turmoil of chaos (nothingness). At the heart of chaos (nothingness), where all things became one, appeared an Egg."
We have to consider the context provided by the first sentence, all things can only be referring to the chaos (nothingness) because there was only that at the beginning.
became one is past simple, things that were at the heart of chaos have already become one.
The egg is can't be part of all things (nothingness), because "all" is non-exclusive.
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Nothing in the description implies Areus's egg was made from the nothingness.The real cal howard said:
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That's...false. Heck, even when I talked to Azzy originally, he said it was made from chaos, but I had to prove chaos=nothingness
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Where in that does it say the egg was made of the chaos.
Prove that and I'm bound to agree.
Prove that and I'm bound to agree.
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It's pretty obvious what the myth is alluding to. It's a matter of just scrolling up.
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Actually it could go both ways.
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Either way, I have nothing left to say. I've said all my points.
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It is also affirmed in the games that time and space together with all humans and pokémon are part of the same presence, the original one.
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Yeah but thats has what to do with mid godly regen?
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All I'll say is that I'm neutral on this point.
Also, this thread is 453 posts long.
Also, this thread is 453 posts long.
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There are a few abilities that should be added...
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We should close this and make a part 2 thread.
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@Cal
What's your opinion of the Azelf stuff?
What's your opinion of the Azelf stuff?
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Looks fine, I guess. Currently don't care, no offense. I want to resolve the Arceus stuff first and foremost.
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Of course, Cal.
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Just put it on my wall.
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As for Arceus being nothingness, I still not so sure about Mid Godly regen so i'm neutral on that part for now, but I believe this can be a broken form of Non-Corporeal kinda like White Face.
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