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Pokémon God Tiers: Several revisions
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Literally in the blog I liked above.
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please stop, act civil, have you ever thought of the possibility that he may have not saw all the threads involving arceus? have you ever thought that the evidence in the profile he saw may still not be enough in his eyes? regardless of that, antagonism is not getting you anywhere and will most likely make people not want to trust or hear you out, calm down, go drink a good cold cup of water, this is seriously not something major in anyone's life, civility comes up first and foremost when talking to other people be it online or anywhere else
as for the thread? i agree with 2-A now, neutral on the 6D removal stuff
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You linked a character..? I don't get why space should automatically means infinite amount of space-time continuums
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My bad, now here is it.
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What's the meaning of this?
Thread was civil until Shion decided to drive it all the way to 180. Go back and read the comment
Don't tag me again. I hate it. I was not the one who started it.
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2-A should be a no-brainer. What mostly held back the original 2-A upgrade was the lack of explicit infinite space statements in the games, so the compromise of a 2-B, likely 2-A rating came from that. That revision thread predates the release of Legends Arceus, where we got multiple explicit statements, like the one in the OP and the one mentioned by Cal. Given that newer material has resolved the issue, a flat-out 2-A rating is fully permissible.
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Was it not like countless of them?
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I agree with the 6D downgrade for reasons outlined in the blog.
2-A looks good as well.
2-A looks good as well.
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The one who started doesn't matter, eye for an eye and all of society eventually goes blind
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Can you drop it at this point? He already asked not to be tagged, and you are going against him like the other party had no faults. Both Sniper and ShionAH are in the wrong, so now let's move on and get back on topic, please.
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Incase I didn't make my vote clear from the beginning, im agreeing with solid 2-A, but I disagree with downgrading 6-D.
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Regardless if OS gets 5D or 6D, the avatar should still be 2-A for reasons already said above.
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2-A seems to be fine by everyone overall, it's just a matter of The Heart being 5-D or 6-D (I maintain that it's 6-D)
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The avatar is still low 1-C cuz you need to tackle his own reasoning for low 1-C, and doengrading the heart to 5D wouldn't change it, and if the heart is 6D, the avatar would obrigatorily be 5D
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Why would it scale to its realm?
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It's basically just why 6D was accepted in the first place.
Anything that isn't the OS, is automatically beneath the OS due to the entire cosmology being a product and dependent on his perception.
And that includes the realm that his avatar form lives in , which has been accepted as 5D already.
Tldr, The Heart has his own reasoning for low 1C, independent of his Avatar's reasoning, and since the entire cosmology is inside his consciousness, that makes him always scale one layer above anything else
And that will be the case when higher dimensions are properly introduced in the series independent of his avatars and himself
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Agree with 2-A, disagree with downgrading from 6D
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Okay but why would the avatar be Low 1-C outside of "I want it to be such tier"?
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Arceus is low 1C(5D) because his realm transcends the cosmology which was covered in the thread @ProfessorKukui4Life made a year ago
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And why would the avatar scale to its realm?
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Because he created it
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No? When did the physical avatar created that? It was the OS.
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Lmao L moment.
So 2-A and Low 1-C still?
So 2-A and Low 1-C still?
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no bro im curious
when did the physical avatar create that
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I am indifferent about what rating the Avatar gets, but I want to specify that the Hearts is 6-D regardless of the tiering of said Avatar, with the reasoning of that already explained previously.
Said this, I will say that Arceus (the Avatar) was able to heavily shock his realm upon his awakening (if that was his realm since I didn't follow all of the thousands of Arceus' revisions, but I think that in the movie it was stated to be such).
Considering that when the Avatar came into being nothing really existed and he is stated to be the creator of everything, I would say that there are more implications that he was the one to create the Realm rather than the Heart doing it.
So I am neutral, leaning towards the Avatar being Low 1-C rather than 2-A.
Said this, I will say that Arceus (the Avatar) was able to heavily shock his realm upon his awakening (if that was his realm since I didn't follow all of the thousands of Arceus' revisions, but I think that in the movie it was stated to be such).
Considering that when the Avatar came into being nothing really existed and he is stated to be the creator of everything, I would say that there are more implications that he was the one to create the Realm rather than the Heart doing it.
So I am neutral, leaning towards the Avatar being Low 1-C rather than 2-A.
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Issue here it's that the CT did slow considerably Arceus. So how do we do that?
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All of what Thanatos said (which I was gonna bring up myself) is not just creation. Avatar Arceus pretty explicitly effected his dimension, even absorbing it's dimensional energy.
It was. In the movie while Arceus slept, he pretty much set into motion all of the events of the Gen 4 Movie Trilogy. While sleeping, he unleashed massive swirls of energy that not only distorted the space-time of his own dimension, but also forcibly caused Dialga and Palkai's own dimensions to collide, causing the events of Rise of Darkrai, which then also caused the events of Giratina and the Sky Warrior
Not to mention also shaking his dimension while going to the Pokemon earth's universe.
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@SamanPatou @Elizhaa @Starter_Pack @Everything12 @Executor_N0 @ElixirBlue @GyroNutz @Colonel_Krukov @Shadowbokunohero Your evaluations here would be appreciated.
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we already accept their creation to scale to their ap, and he created said realm, and affected it in the movie
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Agree with 2-A stuff and honestly I don't agree with the avatars scaling to their true form since there is absolutely no evidence for that
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Don't the origin forms have true forms? I could swear they were stated to have
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