How does an "academic" paper about "SIMBOLIZM" relate to literally anything in particular about Bleach cosmology?I will just leave this here:
“三界 (sankai)” which is a strictly Buddhist term that means “the three realms of existence”
https://www.academia.edu/3620074/Li...nment_Buddhist_Symbolism_in_the_Manga_Bleach_
In Buddhism the three realms of existence make up the universe (Credit to Wanderez btw)
Also here is one more scan that debunks SS and WOTL being planets:
0 staff disagreements buddyDid you really just say there are 0 disagreements (when there are a couple including myself that are disagreeing) and you are overwhelmed with agreement?!
Because just by looking at the diagram and actually thinking for even half a second will tell you that everything in the diagram are all dimensions. Valleys are dimensions, the Dangai is a dimension, Garganta is a dimension, the Realms are also dimensions. To assume they are only the planets in that panel is utterly stupid when context tells you otherwise.
I won't have a problem with noting down the names of every person that agreed or disagreed, but atm I don't have the energy to go back and tally everything from scratch.
Prove this.
Because in DB we know that RoSaT exists as a parallel dimension to the earth, as Goku himself told Gohan in DBZ, while in Bleach it's not.
Not me, it's Tokinada who is trying to explain to Aura that Garganta works like outer space, blame Tokinada and Narita.
Yeah, I actually cant believe that I'm explaining something which is like basics in Bleach that everyone knows, Garganta isn't like RoSaT, it's stated to work as outer space by Tokinada who knows better than you lol.
Asking Arc for translation would be nice, also put this in that thread where the site translator translates rawsHere is another scan that debunks planet level World of the Living:
^Universe (talking about World of the Living)
Did you just use the orange color from the sketch to say that the orange space in the monitor is kyogoku? By that logic everything in the monitor should be reflecting the same colors that are in the sketch? But they don't.
No, when Senna went into the Kyogoku, she destroyed it. Only after the Kyogoku's destruction would the remaining explosions would have been visible in the Dangai.
The entire space in between is the Dangai.
The Valley of Screams having stars is an assumption. It is a dimension of unknown size. We only see the sky but we do not see any star. Granted, there is a source of light but it doesn't have to be a real star when we know those people are capable of controlling and modifying it. They literally brought the Kyogoku somehow inside the Dangai and connected it to WotL and SS, something that is unnatural. We also see later that Riruka and Yukio are able to modify it as well.
All I can say at this point is please read the thread or don't comment because I have covered this, like, a hundred times now.
I read it already, I'm not about to keep saying this to you for gods sake
That's some nice analogy with the "If they were likened to planets" quote.
I understand that. For one I posted a screen shot of Toshiro using the word "hoshi" to make a comparison. He never even called SS or WotL "hoshi". Since I realized there's a difference between the movie translations I even asked whether the difference is between them is too distant and if they are, then the "raws" should be investigated for further support. All of this obviously got ignored. There's also this:
Basically, the Kogyoku is acting likes lens.
The same Kogyoku that grew so big that it stuck to both worlds. Where do Kogyoku appear? Inside the Garganta.
AKM is suggesting that in this context they're talking about the planets. However, if they're in fact talking about the planets, they must be occupying the Garganta. And they're clearly not occupying the Garganta.
So what is the orange space in the middle? You claimed earlier it was the dangai.
The main point is it resembles myuirs map it shows a Orange space connecting to the soul society and the world of the living like kisukes
Yes. Planets have space by obviously being presumably 3d, and time as they have a linear progression of events.
It's just a matter of size. All an author has to do is write or draw, or confirm that a planet is bigger than and/or holds things as big as galaxies or stars, even though its unlikely for one to do so.
It was a yes or no question, and I answered yes, but i'll clarify further.
The amount of "thumbs up" a post gets objectively amounts to no more than it's popularity here, and nothing more.
Add me to the list of non-staff people who agree with the downgrades.
All you say is that they are dimensionally separated so the explosions can’t actually affect the planet itself but that means that the planets are still inside their own dimensions, something that contradicts Kisuke with your stance, who said that the worlds will be pulled into the Dangai and something we never see at all in the movie even at the very climax where everything was supposedly going to end. Ya know, the part where they should have been in the Dangai?
Small nitpick, but Kisuke said they will be pulled together into a collision. Not that they will be pulled inside the Dangai. Mayuri says the same thing later too. Dangai simply connects the two.
That scan only confirms the existence of a universe. It does not say the term WotL is referring to the universe. The term isn't even mentioned there.
That’s fine. You yourself said that what we see is taking place in the Dangai. Doesn’t even need to be the Dangai tbh since even if it was the Garganta or some random other dimension, the planets still need to be pulled out of their own dimensions for your argument to work and they never are.
It was the Kyogoku. We are told at the very start that it is because of the Kyogoku that everything is happening. The planets were on a collision course because of the Kyogoku. And we see the Kyogoku connecting Earth and SS. We see the Kyogoku having an entrance at the lake and Earth appearing in SS's sky. But we don't see the Kyogoku normally since it is not in the same dimension. Two planets that are in different dimensions were connected to each other and were moving towards each other along a separate dimension. They don't have to move in their respective dimensions for that. They would have collided without actually moving in their respective main spaces or without disappearing from view. It is possible that they could have completely fallen inside the Kyogoku somehow, or not, but that is just me making a guess since we never got to the point of the actual collision.
Wrong again, let me show you scans of planets and galaxies being affected when Yhwach was merging the world:
Omg, I'm done bro, those are legit sketches from Kubo with galaxies and planets being destroyed, at this point bro, I'm done responding
If he uses that kanji then I'm not seeing why even bother using the word 世界 sekai to refer a universe when he could've just straight up use those (宇宙) word to refer a universe, that is if he's really referring to a universe.
Cause it uses this 宇宙
Huh? Are u saying that if universe kanji is mentioned in the story then any other Sekai mentioned doesn't mean the universe?
Wow so kubo just drew sketches that mean nothing.
Honestly waiting one more day seems a little unfair. Iirc when it was pretty much unanimous for the original upgrade the op waited like a week or so for the opposition to provide arguments. I still say it’s best to wait for Imade and Arc to comment before this goes through
Well, I'll leave it up to AKM of course. The agreement side is looking pretty strong though.
I’m just saying that AKM was the main staff who disagreed in the last thread so if he pushes for a huge downgrade like this to go through in 2 days then it’s only gonna make the bleach fandom mad and make him look bad in their eyes. But you’re right it’s up to him.
