You know that temporal and spatial (space-time) = 4D right?
What character have a planet that is cut off of space-time (4D)?
Ok
Stars? Sure, galaxies? Proof that planets can contain galaxies inside them?
Proof that planets can be realms of existence?
Ok
Star Wars (Mortis)
I believe this Hoshi thing was debunked in one of the last threads. This was brought many times before. It wasn’t referring to a star as in a planet. It was either Arc or Imad.I understand that. For one I posted a screen shot of Toshiro using the word "hoshi" to make a comparison. He never even called SS or WotL "hoshi". Since I realized there's a difference between the movie translations I even asked whether the difference is between them is too distant and if they are, then the "raws" should be investigated for further support. All of this obviously got ignored. There's also this:
Basically, the Kogyoku is acting likes lens.
The same Kogyoku that grew so big that it stuck to both worlds. Where do Kogyoku appear? Inside the Garganta.
AKM is suggesting that in this context they're talking about the planets. However, if they're in fact talking about the planets, they must be occupying the Garganta. And they're clearly not occupying the Garganta.
The scan is of Dangai, which connects the two planets that are dimensionally separated. Your question is wrong here. It's clear you didn't read the thread.
Since they are dimensionally separate, yes, they are cut off from one another.
Reading a part of the statement while ignoring the rest is not how you understand the statement. Again, literally explained in the OP. Read it.
Stars are in the space where planets are too. Again, wrong question.
Realm: a field or domain of activity or interest.
I feel like I have been incredibly patient with explaining things even if they were off-topic. I have literally been advised to not reply to every comment. But when questions become repetitive, then no, it is unfair to expect me to reply to everything especially when most of the points are there in the OP.
This is completely one-sided view. I have made it clear in the OP that this is a no-nonsense thread and warned them already. And I will definitely delete comments and thread ban elements that come here to derail the thread with toxicity. Behavior like that is the only reason why the anime fanbase, not only Bleach, is looked down upon and staff members don't want to participate. And in my thread, I will make sure to not let it fly. This is moderation and you are free to disagree with how I handle things. Likes don't mean anything since we don't do things based on popularity. By that logic I am always right because my number of likes are so high.
A lot of members are in agreement too. You might have missed that.
Wouldn't this not make sense in a universe sense either?I understand that. For one I posted a screen shot of Toshiro using the word "hoshi" to make a comparison. He never even called SS or WotL "hoshi". Since I realized there's a difference between the movie translations I even asked whether the difference is between them is too distant and if they are, then the "raws" should be investigated for further support. All of this obviously got ignored. There's also this:
Basically, the Kogyoku is acting likes lens.
The same Kogyoku that grew so big that it stuck to both worlds. Where do Kogyoku appear? Inside the Garganta.
AKM is suggesting that in this context they're talking about the planets. However, if they're in fact talking about the planets, they must be occupying the Garganta. And they're clearly not occupying the Garganta.
These so called planets were shown bigger than the dimension of the valley of screams. Which has a star in it.
Could you post a scan for the size comparison
That's literally Bleach's cosmology. There's the Garganta that engulfs everything. Every single realm that exists in Bleach (bar Hell, Hell is still a mystery for the most part). The dimensions that the Garganta engulfs are SS, WotL, HM and the Dangai. Inside those dimensions, there are the SS, WotL and HM planets. Between the planets and the Garganta there are stars that are nowhere to be found inside the Garganta, thus they logically occupy the dimensions. That's why the terms should not be focused only on either planet or universe. There's more than enough evidence to support the use of both, depending on the context.
The garganta is a different dimension that overlaps with the planets which are also in separate dimensions. It shouldn't be so hard to understand. You can literally open the way to the Garganta from both Earth and SS. Garganta doesn't exist in the same space as the main universe. It's a different dimension that you can't see normally. But it's there.
He is talking about the diagram sketch which is a cartoon made for ease of understanding and is not to scale.
I did
Proof of this?
I do understand the statement, it also states "The void of space that surrounded those was called Garganta" which is clearly states that if they were planets, Garganta would be space, which is wrong because Soul Reapers can't breath in space:
Me: Ask if planets contains stars and galaxies
Proof that planets are realms of existence?
Valley of Screams has its own Star and smaller to the worlds of Bleach.
Then these arguments would support a At least (Low-End), possibly (High-End) interpretation if I'm not wrong, since it depends on the context?Valley of Screams has its own Star and smaller to the worlds of Bleach.
That would mean WoTL and SS if they could be linked to planets would be a lot of times bigger than size of Earth.
Counter:
“Is just a hologram representation. Not the whole thing.”
Well, the opposite party is using the same argument for the spheres. And we have statements of the Valleys of Screams been “pocket dimensions” so they are by default smaller than the main realms.
Garganta was never even implied to overlap with anything. Isn't there literally a statement from SAFWY novel stating that Kenpachi's battle with Cien was breaking Garganta's walls?
Kyogoku's always starts with a smaller size since it is the amalgamation of souls. The more souls come together the bigger it gets. It's literally explained in the movie. The same scan also shows brown ground and blue sky, which is again referring to planets. Plus, it's not to scale, it's a sketch made to explain it in an easier way.
Garganta is stated to be present between the worlds and it engulfs them. It wouldn't be possible if it wasn't overlapping with them. Dimensions overlapping with one another isn't unheard of. You can have numerous dimensions overlapping together in the same universe.
So are you saying garganata overlaps outer space between the worlds in each dimension? Or it overlaps the all the dimensions completely
No. That's Dangai. They literally say the explosions can be seen in Dangai and that's what they show. If the yellow part was the Kyogoku it would have disappeared before the the explosions were shown in the Dangai because the dimension got destroyed first. Without the dimension getting destroyed, the explosions would not have shown up in Dangai.
If by all the dimensions you mean the main universe too, then that's not confirmed. It can be a smaller dimension too that only exists across Earth, SS and HM dimensionally. We cannot ascertain its full size with only that much information.
Can planets have space and time? uhhh yes, literally almost every planet in fiction, and in our real world have both..
Do you mean can planets exist in a separate space time? If so then yes.
Im not knowledgable enough on bleach to answer than, but i've heard that its been addressed already so I think an answer to that is within the thread.
Yeah, in fiction. It'd have to be a pretty big planet though.
Yeah i don't see why not.
Literally confirmed.
Aside from context, my argument is that both SS and WoTL are generally the whole dimensions, it's a clear panel from Kisuke, the most knowledgeable character in the verse and the smartest, SS and WoTL arent planets there, and they are the dimensions that are contained/surrounded by Garganta
This doesn't really mean anything, in fact, he is just misinterpreting the context behind it.
Actually, if we are going to interpret this statement literally, I only see some buildings in that lens being visible in SS, are we going now to say that WoTL refers to those buildings?
But sadly it doesn't mean that because we already know Dangai doesn't connect 2 planets, it connects the 2 dimensions as it is clearly shown by Yoruichi here.
Except it would be possible. What says it would not be? You're assuming it's possible, because it's not unheard of? There's practically nada proof anywhere suggesting that it's overlapping them. In fact:
Do you have a scan that says otherwise? Occam razor.
You're literally assuming that they are dimensions. Why? They are rough sketches. Are they listed as "WotL dimension" and "SS dimension"? No. Are they stated as such? No. Then why are you assuming that by default. I can just as easily say they are planets in that sketch. Since one is showing ground and the other is showing sky. That's at least a reason to assume something. But even I am not using that sketch in my OP.
Since a=b doesn't mean a=c.
I'm not saying there is a different scan. I'm saying your interpretation of that scan doesn't seem to be correct to me. The "white liquid" isn't what is being referring to as the Universe; the whole disk there is the Universe.
Hahaha, no I'm not assuming anything actually, it's clear that those are the dimensions, why? because then the same panel drawn by Kisuke shows that what surrounds those SS and WoTL is Garganta, are planets surrounded by Gargata?? no there are stars around them meaning its the whole dimension there.
So you're telling me that planets can have 4D continuums?
Ok thank you
This doesn't answer my question
What? Proof and scans that galaxies can be in planets?
That doesn't answer my question either lmao
Yes. But in a different dimension. That's why you don't see Garganta but are able to see stars. Just like you don't see RoSaT in DB existing parallel to Earth. I mean, this is supposed to be common sense. You are trying to imagine that Garganta is in the same space as the main universe. It's not. It is a different dimension with its own space time that overlaps with WotL, SS and HM. I can't believe that I am having to explain this tbh (no offense meant, just my frustration).
Did you really just say there are 0 disagreements (when there are a couple including myself that are disagreeing) and you are overwhelmed with agreement?!
Celestial bodies are in space and time flows through them.
