You literally said Frisk was reducing damage, if the only instance of someone taking less than 1 damage was with damage reduction and vice versa then it's safe to assume that was because of the damage reduction especially given this is the strongest character in the verse doing an attack that is dealing less damage than a common enemy you find in the first area of the game, but this should be discussed in some other thread anyways
You are ignoring how this either way shows they can take less than 1 damage
As an except to the rule
Late response, but again, that wouldn't work since their dura neg is limited. Sans attacks would be doing 0 damage to someone with 2-A durability.
not at all, sans is the exception to that rule, he deals the same damage regardless of your durability, why do you think that he has a unique description of dura neg than the physiology page?
Because of KARMA, which while it is true durability negation, it cannot drop your HP to zero. Sans cannot kill someone he cannot chip, which is why he can never defeat a character with High 3-A durability or higher.
not at all since Sans' own damage stays the same regardless, his attacks are never said to be chip damage, his phases through your durability, and when he applies KR with you at HP 1 you immediatly die, the poison effect resultant form KR can't kill, that is correct, however, KR aplication can, which is how Sans kills frisk in the first place
you need a thread to make that accepted, since nothing of such is listed or was chip damage ever accepted as what Sans does at all
Sans soul attack dura neg isn't noted on the profile to dura neg any different from any other monster... the only one he has that's different is Karma, but that has different limitations.
KARMA is the poison effect, it does not immediately deal 1HP of damage upon application, it's Sans' normal monster magic that deals that damage. He has 1ATK.
I don't, because the limited nature of Monster's durability negation is already accepted. People have just either overlooked it or ignored it for Sans, even though the only special thing about his dura neg is his KARMA- which can't even kill you.
yes it is....hence why he has Karma listed
not one's that really matter for this manner
it does, that is why Sans' deals 1 hp per frame of damage
of course, you have proof for such claims right? also, even if it was like that, that is still durability negation since he is dealing the same ammount of damage no matter how high or small your durability is, if it was chip damage as you
and in the thread that made it a thing it was agreed that Sans was the exception by everyone there, moot point
outside of the fact that it pretty much can kill you, it was not an oversight, it was an agreement on him not being affected in the thread, you not agreeing with it personally is another story tho
Then you agree, Sans soul damage is no different from the rest of the monsters. If you disagree, make a CRT for it, since the wiki treats it as being the same.
Except they do, since Karma can't kill you at 1 HP which has been discussed extensively at this point.
That's untrue. He deals 1HP per frame because the SOUL has no invulnerability frames in Sans' fight, and Sans' attack don't vanish upon hitting the SOUL.
He only has 1ATK. And the minimum damage that can normally be dealt is 1HP, with the exception of GoHD Asriel.
Because of KARMA, which is true dura neg, but cannot drop your HP to zero.
Again, untrue. KARMA explicitly cannot kill you.
Everyone should start doing that in Sans threads.
very much is since that is the effect that is spawned with his every attack
it very much would
i don't see why i should care about a fan wiki's explanation, could you give me evidence of the game instead pherhaps?
yeah, hence why he kills so fast
not at all
it is since his ignores you durability completely, while the others do not
the wiki pretty much doesn't, no where written, and in his profile, KR is listed as his Durability neg, and in the thread for soul attacks sans was always listed as the exception, this is how he is treated in the wiki, make a thread yourself if you disagree
yes, it pretty much can, hence why Sans can kill and harm you the same regardless of your durability in the first place, what can't kill in the poisonous effect of it alone, but the application he does with every attack very much can
yeah, hence his durability neg, since normal defense gets bypassed and ignored by him
considering that he doesn't damage the same way as all monsters, no, there is no statement of what you are saying, we don't know if he would be able to do that without KR, we see that this is how he does the stuff he does, you affirming this without making accepted in the wiki in the first place is weird, you say that it is one thing, you can't use non accepted conclusions in a VS thread, that is just silly
the poison effect can't, KR aplication very much can, hence why his attacks can kill in the first place
the poison effect, KR can kill you
you are the one affirming a thing that is never implied or said in the game, while i am using something accepted here in the wiki that is implied in the game, you are the one who should start bringing evidence, because you haven't brought anything as of now
He's clearly not treated this way on the wiki since it's not at all noted on his profile. So I'm sorry to say it Omega, but you'll actually need to make a CRT to have your currently head canon accepted. It's not my fault the wiki doesn't list his soul manip as working differently than anyone else. I'm not going to make a thread for you about something that isn't even on the profile. That's just being lazy imo.
He has two types of of durability negation. A limited one via his physiology, and Karma, which can't kill you as explained earlier as it IS the poisonous affect that can only bring you to 1 HP. I can't help you unless you read my earlier posts. So I refuse to keep arguing about this with you when you're clearly misconstruing what's on the profile. Either that or you're arguing from incredulity.
His normal damage that is limited dura neg is affected by regular durability, and his true dura neg, KARMA, cannot kill.
He does, his boss fight just lacks invincibility frames & he has KARMA.
You're making yourself look silly now. KARMA cannot kill you. Your last point of HP cannot be affected by KARMA. This can be discovered by playing the Sans fight, or looking it up, so please stop claiming something so clearly false.
You're the one ignoring what the profiles say and what the game shows.
I am pretty sure that the profile says the opposite
you evidence being?
I mean this proves it’s chip damage.
only partial true and irrelevant to the match at hand
Considering that your side was the one who brought up the whole "it is only chip damage" headcanon, while the profile does have the durability negation of KR that i am talking, no, i don't need to, since IT IS accepted
his durability neg is not soul manipulation, since it also ignores physical durability, so moot point
it is not as lazy as not making a thread, inventing something not implied in the game, and then somehow expecting to buy it just because the inner details are not written in the profile, you know that his was the only one not listed as limited aftet the crt was finished? It isn't something never brought up and never accepted, it was brought up and then accepted in the crt
nope, accepted in the crt for soul attacks that his isn't limited, that was accepted, hence why he never had a "limited" on his durabilitu negation after that crt was passed
i did do that
I am not, you are, just look at the history of revisions of the profile and try and see when was sans listed with the same "limited" that everyone in undertale was, Hint, he never had, the one going against the profile is you, not me
it isn't, again, when the thread was applied, his was not affect by hit, stop going against the accepted revisions
Yes it can, you ignoring the explanation will not make it go away
hence why his durability neg was never listed as limited in the first place
so?
I played the fight, it can kill you, it is the whole reason sans does the damage the way he does in the first place
No, you are the one doing that, really, crts are what determines what is accepted or not, and crt's determine that Sans doesn't the limitation that youbare arguing, so please, stop going against what was accepted
It says none of that, at all
Why would i repeat myself yet again?
It doesn't, at all, my dude, this isn't accepted in the profile or in any Crt, you can't act as if it is just because it makes sense to you
It is completely relevant to the threas at hand
I dunno what the chip damage stuff is even about... I've been ignoring everything outside of people who directly addressed me since I'm not here to vote. Just to inform.
Not on the profile. Irrelevant so I'm not addressing it since you'll just resort to circular arguments.
Why would something THIS important not be listed on the profile. Being the ONE exception of a universal physiology DEFINITELY warrants being noted on the profile. This isn't my problem, this is the people claiming Sans physiology is intrinsically differently SOLELY in the dura neg department. Get that fixed, if it's true it wouldn't be hard.
Show me where it was accepted this only Sans durability negation via attacking the soul is different (And don't link me anything talking about Karma since that's a completely different form of dura neg he has access too, thus why he has dura neg listed on his profile PLUS monster physiology listed on his page which links to limited dura neg)
NO ONE in the verse has limited durability negation listed on their profile. They all have the monster physiology page listed on their profile which includes limited dura neg via attacking the soul. Sans ALSO has the monster physiology listed on his profile with said limited durability neg. That was in my very first comment.
It isn't by either, but ok, be like that, the truth wilm remain the same
Ok then
Kr not killing also isn't in the profiles, yet you are saying that it is
It was, people just ****** it up when making the physiology page, it is a simple errot to be fixed. Or rather a simple detail to add to avoid confusion
i mean.....KR is basically that
i will
Look at before the physiology page was added dude, you can't be this blind to the point being made
Not here to argue the rest, but this is false. Karma can never kill the opponent. Could open the bad time simulator right now and double check, but Karma will get the enemy to a critical condition then never finish the job until Sans does. In this video, Karma overloads the hit points that Chara can take with damage to spare but never comes to take that one last point even though the players had been long at 1 HP.
Here in the wiki we accept that sans dealing 1 damage per hit is via Karma, that is just how it is
Not gonna solve the army of drones that one shots sans
I never contested that he can do 1 damage per hit with Karma. The point is that Karma effectively can't seal the deal. And I gave the source material's evidence. Things that never happened in the source material being accepted is plain misconception being spread in threads. At this point people wouldn't be arguing with me, they'd be saying that exactly what happened in the game didn't.
isn't it his starting move tho?
Well, we acceted that all damage related stuff Sans does to be dura neg via karm, including him giving 1 damage per frame to kill, wether or not it's wrong would require a crt to change/fix rather than a vs match tho, the way you said it makes it sound simple enough to be a quick crt
Here is what the profile says about karma
it is simply outdated and no one changed that in the thread about the durability negation stuff, i already requested to add that detail in sans' profile
and yet you used the argument for the "chip damage" even tho that isn't in the profile
i already talked about the thread for the durability negation for undertale and about how that specified that it wouldn't affect Sans' since his ignores your defense stat straight up, before you say anything, that was the words of the OP of that thread, not me, so there isn't much to discuss here
