So how exactly Sans can kill Touma?
Can he not just use bones/gaster blasters/soul hax? I didn't see resistance to that on Touma's profile but tbh I know basically nothing about him so I could be missing something.
No, he can null by touching the power.
Oh shoot. Does he just get completely powernulled if Touma touches even one of his attacks?
No, only the attack he touched.
Touma can touch incorporeality and intangibility.
Touma has dealt with Danmaku in the thousands, if it's less than that he will be fine
He needs to Touch with his right hand.
Well in that case I don't think Sans can really do much.
He has fought people with teleportation as well as people with IR, you'd need to be more specific about what Sans does for me to see those as a problem for Touma.
Well in that case Touma takes this pretty easily. Idk in my mind I was imagining Sans just teleporting like 100 meters away whenever Touma got close then just sitting there til Touma got close again, but I realize that's completely out of character, especially considering Sans doesn't even know Touma has powernull.
Why would Undertale's definition apply to someone that isn't from Undertale?
Mostly cuz verse equalization makes this topic really confusing for a dumbass ******* like me
Sans can TS and spawn attacks in every direction, That will disorient Touma guaranteed
Not going to lie but the only real instance of danmaku I see there is a mention of "raining arrows that cover the sky", but this is something Undyne can already do (here, here or here), and there similar working from Mettaton, Asgore, Flowey (here, here or especially here or here) or Asriel (here and here). And Sans is like far harder than any of these in-game if you see all of it.
Here, Strym. Scans for Touma's danmaku dodging skills. Since somebody needed to provide 'em.
I'm pretty sure this is just a stomp.
Touma has power null and Precog + some skill in dodging danmaku
I have literally read the scan, however the same scan mentions that between the arrows there's enough safe space for Touma to go in and dodge:
Going by calcs Sans is over 130 times stronger, so yeah.
Sans got upgraded due to a Undertale CRT that happened in 2023, IIRC. Don't know which one exactly, though.
Honestly, this might just be an issue of Undertale actually having danamaku that can be visualized while all of Touma's stuff is locked behind visual-less light novel pages, kek.
I see, Thanks for telling me
Sans upscales from the 0 Value which scales from this. And Sans can still deal minimal damage without using KR to a 9-A Chara, and Undertale doesn't register damage if your ATK is too low compared to the opponent's DEF.
That's the problem, aye. The Undyne case is the closest one I could compare the feat with at least.
Won't this make Sans vs Galactus a stomp then? (I think you participated in it)
It's not really a problem tho, he has dealt with that rain of arrows, as well as other forms of Danmaku:
That sounds more him nullying a barrer of projectiles that are too tight to be humanly dodged than actually dodging it tbh.
If only Sans doesn't spam far faster attacks either.
Yeah, but that doesn't really matter, he can dodge, null or do both, the end result is the same unless Sans has more danmaku than the numbers we have provided so far.
What? I don't get your point here, not only Sans accepted speed is below actual lightning speed, speed is equalized here (which means Sans' speeds are being lowered to match Touma's, meanwhile Touma's own are kept) so what you said is either wrong or doesn't apply.
Can touma dodge attacks from various directions from a sudden Time stop? They come in different patterns s'well
Sans' stuff isn't just "too many projectiles coming towards you", it's a series of attacks that come from multiple directions, like this, this or this.
Speed equalization here only reduces the ratio of higher attacks speed to base combat speed of the characters, so if for example a character has Mach 2 combat speed but has a Mach 100 attack, then if from equal speed the character gets reduced to human speed, then the attack will still be x50 faster (Subsonic+ in my example) in the fight.
Did you read the water daggers quote? Theu were also coming from everywhere and he still found a way to deal with them.
Okay? That changes nothing of what I said, Touma has dealt with attacks that were thousands of times his speed, meanwhile Sans' blasters here would be what? Twice his speed? They're simply indexed as "higher" in Sans profile, no multiplier or anything really.
Time stop more than likely wouldn't stop Touma to begin with.
Your quote seems more about him redirecting a single dagger so that it caused a chain reaction which made a wide space for him to get in.
Any scans on how he dodged that lightning, by the way? The profile seems to say that's through aim dodging rather than actual reaction speed, and that if attacks are simply too fast for him to even react, then he likely wouldn't be able to.
