Sans' abilities are based on how many people that are killed.

[Igg31q35]

I've seen that this board continously tries to deny this to try and downplay Sans or some other stupid reason, but it seems fairly obvious that if you've played the game that this is the case.

The narrator has been showed to be Chara multiple times. They show themselves as the narrator during genocide in the New Home and multiple times throughout the playthrough

The whole "Sins crawling on your back" line is a reference to the ability and this only happens after you get hit by Sans' attacks (You'll have to take my word on this since I've tested it before)

If the "Sins crawling on your back" line isn't referring to guilt then why is it even there to begin with? Plus with an attack power like Karmic Retribution it would make sense that this would be the case.

Prove me wrong, but if you can't then stop denying it and just accept it.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Chara talking about sins =/= Sans' damage output is proportional to the amount of sins the person has

This is a huge jump in logic for no reasons

 

[Igg31q35]

Chara talking about sins =/= Sans' damage output is proportional to the amount of sins the person has
This is a huge jump in logic for no reasons

Why else would it be in the game then? Chara shows no remorse for anything throughout the whole game and to suddenly have it during the Sans fight makes no sense unless you take his ability into account. What is it called again? Oh yeah, Karma.

There's literally no reason why this wouldn't be the case, especially when you infer how Sans has been preparing to fight you throughout the Genocide route.

Unless you can provide an argument that shows this wrong, there's no reason not have this on his abilities list.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

First of all if Chara is the narrator as you say, then this is Frisk feeling the sins, not Chara

Secondly, Sans using the player's sins does not have to mean it increases damage proportionally, or that it has anything to do with damage. You could interpret it as:

-Sans using any sins of the target, no matter how many, to deal his KR damage

-Sans' KR not being empowered by sins, but simply making the player feel the concequences of their sins

The idea that Sans' KR scales up infinitely with sins is only one interpretation, and one that is way too specific to put on the profiles.

 

[The_Wright_Way]

Chara doesn't feel remorse. They're talking about how Frisk feels.

 

[Igg31q35]

First of all if Chara is the narrator as you say, then this is Frisk feeling the sins, not Chara
Secondly, Sans using the player's sins does not have to mean it increases damage proportionally, or that it has anything to do with damage. You could interpret it as:

-Sans using any sins of the target, no matter how many, to deal his KR damage

-Sans' KR not being empowered by sins, but simply making the player feel the concequences of their sins

The idea that Sans' KR scales up infinitely with sins is only one interpretation, and one that is way too specific to put on the profiles.

If this is the case then you have to admit then that its based on how many people that a person has killed not just general soul poison that can affect everyone.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

No you don't.

You can have sins without killing people.

And even then the KR damage doesn't have to be reliant on sins. The "feeling sins on your back" thing could easily just be an effect of KR, not just KR drawing from the sins of the victim.

 

[Igg31q35]

No you don't.
You can have sins without killing people.

And even then the KR damage doesn't have to be reliant on sins. The "feeling sins on your back" thing could easily just be an effect of KR, not just KR drawing from the sins of the victim.

Why would it be there if its not reliant on Sins? The entire route is literally about you killing people lmfao. At this point you're just trying to find every other reason to not admit what's obviously there.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

"Why would it be there if its not reliant on Sins?"

How is that an argument? KR can be there for any number of reasons other than its damage relying on sins. You can have X themed powers without being empowered by X.

You can keep claiming that your opinion is the obvious truth all you want, it doesn't change the fact that your interpretation is a very specific one that has no basing.

 

[Igg31q35]

"Why would it be there if its not reliant on Sins?"
How is that an argument? KR can be there for any number of reasons other than its damage relying on sins. You can have X themed powers without being empowered by X.

You can keep claiming that your opinion is the obvious truth all you want, it doesn't change the fact that your interpretation is a very specific one that has no basing.

How does it have no basing when literally the entire route is about killing people, Sans has watched you do nothing but killing people, so what makes it any less likely that he'd base any of his powers off of you killing people?

It does have basing, you're just simply refusing to see it .

"The character has sins themed powers, in a route that's based off of nothing but you sinning, but its not based on your sins!"

Is this seriously the logic you're going with here?

 

[FRIMI]

Karmic retribution does literally mean that your attacks should scale based on the deeds of the recipient

 

[UltraChair]

...Has Sans' KR ever been called "Karmic Retribution" officially, I always thought that was like a fanon name, the closest thing I ever seen that refers (or atleast implied to refer to) to KR has been "KARMA" which was used multiple terms in the dialogue during Sans' fight.

 

[FRIMI]

Huh. That's a good point. I don't remember. I wonder if Toby has ever commented on it

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

The Sins quotes always change depending on the amount of KR you have, that's what it says in the Undertake wiki

 

[FRIMI]

ok but is the attack actually called karmic retribution officially?

 

[Buttersamuri]

No. That's a fan made name

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

It's only called KR