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We need to deal with this as well.
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Yeah, permaban DekuGlazer I advocate for. Obvious sock signs combined asking for offsite evaluation calcs; which is against the rules.
Given the staff majority, it seems preferred to keep the ban permanent. But if there is a year of silence and no socks and they come back to your wall to ask for a second chance, that's when I think it's time for some possible reconsidering. But for now, I think keeping the bans permanent setting is the general preference.
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Is it Yoriichi10000 ?
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I only sent those calcs because a friend asked me to do so, I didn't know it was against any rules, so I asked "if its allowed" when I sent the calcs, I'm sorry.
https://vsbattles.com/threads/fixing-verses-part-3-ptj-verse.157338/#post-6036510 also in this thread, Hollow is responding to one of my messages.
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Okay. Thank you for your evaluation.
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For what it is worth, the varied IP addresses of HollowVanity have consistently been located in one country and the varied IP addresses of DekuGlazer have consistently been located in another country.
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I'd like to offer my two cents on the DekuGlazer matter.
I have little doubt in my mind that this is an alt of Vapour. His arrival time is highly suspect, account created Sep 3rd, made his first post the same day the HollowVanity account got accused of being a sockpuppet here. The HollowVanity account is who added him to the Tokyo Revengers supporters list, and he is here advocating on behalf of one of Vapour's calcs
The only verses he has commented on are Tokyo Revengers, Classroom of the Elite, and Lookism, all of which are three of the verses Vapour and his various alts were most focused on, and all of them are pretty niche/obscure. These are not verses with huge followings on our wiki.
He has already been somewhat rude in discussions such as:
The most natural conclusion is that this is yet another alt. However, in the most generous scenario this is a user who is closely associated with Vapour, shares his interest in all the same verses, has indications of the same poor temperament, just-so-happened to spring up after the latest ban, and is working with him off-site to continue influencing the wiki in the ways Vapour wants, which means he's more or less a troublemaker recruited by Vapour which is similarly problematic.
So, I am inclined to agree with permanently banning him as a sock of Vapour.
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if i was vapour why would i plan mutliple weeks before i created another sock account
https://ibb.co/MSwphFH also here's a convo I had with Vapour, proving I'm not him
Also the only reason I talk like Hollow is because I'm friends with him
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This is not all that persuasive, given the lengths gone to in the past to obfuscate shared accounts.
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Could you possibly add me on discord so me, you and vapour can do a call and prove I'm not him
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The previous Vapour sock literally asked the exact same thing tbh; people can also make multiple Discord accounts and pretend to be multiple people quite easily.
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Okay, here we have the same as past cases, and too many proofs have been given and it is impossible that they are all a simple coincidence as the same way of speaking and debating, same verses, same group (Vapour, Hollow).
As the original reporter I agree with Permaban.
this is another clear proof.
As the original reporter I agree with Permaban.
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It's nearly impossible to call at the same time, especially if you ask specific questions.
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Nah you can just be told what to say via text or if you're a close friend in the same room.
One can use a internet connection excuse or say a family member is talking to them as an excuse to mute thier microphones etc. Etc.
This also doesn't matter if you're given general notes on the situation by the other person
I say all of this because its literally what happened with Vapour/Hollow before in call
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Dude, what can I do to prove I'm not vapour, we can all hop on call and not mute our mics, we're obviously not in the same room since we live in different countries, I can send you hundreds of screenshots of conversations we've had aswell.
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photoshop
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How can I prove they aren't photoshopped?
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join a voice call, stream it, reload the page, and scroll/search
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Question, is "cloudsupreme" the same person as "cloudyagami?"Screenshot-20231003-214838-Discord hosted at ImgBB
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Image Screenshot-2023-10-04-013304 hosted in ImgBBI don't understand the last part, how can you doctor an image
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Most likely it is, since Cloudyagami referred to himself as "Cloud" and the yagami was an addition to his name, so on discord he may have changed his nickname to cloudsupreme even if his discord nick is cloudyagami we know that on a server you can easily change nicknames.
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just a question. why do some dates go month/day/year and others go day/month/year?Screenshot-20231003-214838-Discord hosted at ImgBB
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I can find the same screenshots with day/month/year for all of them if you want.
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either different location or different device, or both.
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To be honest, I am inclined to believe that there is a strong possibility that he really is just a friend of both of them. He may just be a like-minded "mini-me" of sorts that they introduced to our wiki, but... call me crazy, that does not significantly change my recommendation in this case, given that he has already behaved obstinately in threads and appears to be heading in the same direction as both of them already.
TR is already a difficult enough verse to deal with, and I am not super-enthused to welcome Vapour and Cloud clones into the mix, even if they possibly are indeed not alts of those very same people.
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I don't know where I've acted like that and I can prove I'm not vapour by hopping on call, streaming and showing a bunch of chats I've had with Vapour
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Well, if they genuinely are different people, I do not think that we can ban Deku unless he has actually caused reasonably significant problems here.
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Another option would be to leave things as they are and at the slightest implication of further behavior similar to Vapour, Hollow either by continuing to suggest calculations or things related them then we could take matters again. Since vapurrr's behavior is well known I doubt it will go unnoticed if he try to suggest the same as him.
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My opinion is that we have pretty good reason to believe they are the same people, and in the best case scenario they are a close friend of two banned users here to cause the same kind of issues. My vote is for banning, but I'm just one vote, so I defer to the other staff.
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I would personally prefer something similar to this option. It seems too harsh otherwise.
But I may be outvoted here.
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I said we can get on call and i can show you a bunch of messages I've had with Vapour, pal.
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