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Rule Violation Reports (New forum)

Kirinator07 said:
Yes, I indeed do, as there was a CRT that was proposed for it to be 2-A instead of Low 1-C prior to the change to 5-D, https://vsbattles.com/threads/scp-profiles-fixing.134205/
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To quote Saikou:

"And then SCP-4555. This one is just kinda silly. SCP-4555 does mention a likely Low 1-C number of universes, describing it as an endless chains of chains of chains. But those universes are explicitly extra-multiversal. They're not part of a single multiverse. So including these in any multiversal feats is dumb. No one should scale to those yet."

4555 is explicitly Low 1-C. It just doesn't scale to anyone. Please actually ask about these things before you go ahead and make changes on our pages.
 
Sir_Ovens said:
4555 is explicitly Low 1-C. It just doesn't scale to anyone. Please actually ask about these things before you go ahead and make changes on our pages.
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To also quote Saikou: https://vsbattles.com/threads/revision-another-scp-big.143846/#post-5491218

SCP-4555 isn't High 1-A. "As deep as mathematically possible" only goes as far as the numbers shown. And the numbers shown here don't go beyond Low 1-C. The article deals mostly with Ordinal Numbers, which refer to order rather than size. So it's not beyond Low 1-C. Ultima's statement is about a specific verse which does actually showcase numbers high enough where universes of that number would be High 1-A. This isn't the case here.
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While you're right about it not scaling to anyone, that's not the main point here. And yes I did ask about it if you go to the smurf tier lists.
 
Sorry to bother but you should probably remove the comment or edit it as well.
Like the other guy said, though he was saying to "not search it", it's clear that the comment was made to pique people's interest and make them search it.
Even if it wasn't made with that intent, they'd still do that.
As the saying goes: Curiosity killed the cat.
 
Coolboy6 said:
I am being very serious about this
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See, this might be my internet lizard brain attempting to find something where there isn't anything, but when you tack that line onto a comment apologizing for a situation which you very clearly wanted to draw attention to originally, I'm inclined to not take said comment in good faith.

Simply don't repeat this in the future. And I'm not referring just to the comic you mentioned in particular, don't try to goad people into looking up messed up shit like that again, in general.
 
Crabwhale said:
See, this might be my internet lizard brain attempting to find something where there isn't anything, but when you tack that line onto a comment apologizing for a situation which you very clearly wanted to draw attention to originally, I'm inclined to not take said comment in good faith.

Simply don't repeat this in the future. And I'm not referring just to the comic you mentioned in particular, don't try to goad people into looking up messed up shit like that again, in general.
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Well at least I actually took the effort to apologize for something bad that I have done unlike some people I’ve seen.
 
Crabwhale said:
See, this might be my internet lizard brain attempting to find something where there isn't anything,
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OH NEWS FLASH

it is. And I’ve gotten ******* sick of people ******* painting as worse of a person than I already have been. I JUST WANT TO ******* REST AFTER HATING AND HARMING MYSELF FOR THE PAST FEW HOURS! I wish I was never even made in the first place and now I’m starting to prove that point even further since the world would be better off without me
 
I'm sorry but this seems like an attempt at unnecessary drama, better go with those issues elsewhere and if you have problems then go to specialists, friends, family whatever you know.

Nothing will solve the problem if you start shouting about it on an internet forum.
 
TheMonkeMan said:
Um...
Is this because of the report... Or something in real life.. Or are you being dramatic?
If it's the 2nd, then I hope you recover mentally?
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A bit of both actually. For one, I have just witnessed the most traumatizing shit known to man and I felt like a horrible looking at it but I wasn’t sure how to express it and what made It worse is that some people decided to paint me as even worse than I was before even if I hated looking at myself. So then I decided that I didn’t like the person that I’ve become and that I felt like I was gonna be even worse than before

sorry
 
@Coolboy6

I apologize that you feel this way but I feel the need to tell you some things. I have struggled with severe levels of suicidal depression back in 2019 (Especially in the later half) and had some episodes albeit tamer versions of it in early parts of 2020 as well. Because I had so much going on IRL at the time combined with the fact that VSBW related drama and troll raids were far worse then they ever were at the time. Especially with the Google+ migrates spamming images of **** and gore with some of it even being close to CP territory. And I was both coincidentally and uncoincidentally getting harassed on basically every social media platform I was active in during those times. So I can understand how you feel about these types of issues.

However, as others have said this thread probably isn't the best place to talk about it. I recommend starting with RL friends and family, or spend time away from Vs Debating related stuff and doing either some healthy warm up exercises, interacting with animals that make good pets, eating or drinking from healthy food, and getting some rest. I blew up on the RVR thread and while not proud of that at all and agree that it wasn't the best idea, I have moved on from that incident and forgave myself. You are also welcome to message me or Antvasima, and possibly a few other staff members privately and while we can't promise to fix everything. Some of us can at least be of some help and offer some advice and directions.
 
Kirinator07 said:
To also quote Saikou: https://vsbattles.com/threads/revision-another-scp-big.143846/#post-5491218
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Ok? He just says that it isn’t connected other canons. This doesn't refute what I said about the tier remaining Low 1-C.

Kirinator07 said:
While you're right about it not scaling to anyone, that's not the main point here. And yes I did ask about it if you go to the smurf tier lists.
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Why would you ask the top 10 non-smurfs thread and not the SCP discussion thread where all the actually knowledgeable people are?

Plus, it doesn't even matter because you still have to make a CRT to adjust stats regardless.
 
Coolboy6 said:
A bit of both actually. For one, I have just witnessed the most traumatizing shit known to man and I felt like a horrible looking at it but I wasn’t sure how to express it and what made It worse is that some people decided to paint me as even worse than I was before even if I hated looking at myself. So then I decided that I didn’t like the person that I’ve become and that I felt like I was gonna be even worse than before

sorry
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Damn, that's pretty sad.
If I'm to take this comment seriously, you saw something terrible and didn't know how to react to it, so for some reason you talked about it here instead of trying to get help.
Is that correct?
 
Coolboy6 said:
OH NEWS FLASH

it is. And I’ve gotten ******* sick of people ******* painting as worse of a person than I already have been.
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A fair criticism. However, I personally do not know you. I have not looked at your history, as discounting causes where the legacy behavior of a user is being reviewed, that isn't required of me. I am judging you simply in regards to this case. And what I was trying to say was that, that wording choice was a bit suspect. If that judgement was wrong, so be it. But I could not know that at the time, as again, I was judging you on the merit of this case alone.

Needless to say, there's been plenty of "harhar look at teh funny ****** up thing I found on the internets guys, gimme attention" kinda people over the years, and that's sort of the standard you automatically fall into when you post something like that in my eyes. It's not meant to be personal, it's just a filing system. And if you're adamant about not posting it for those reasons, acceptable enough.
Coolboy6 said:
I JUST WANT TO ******* REST AFTER HATING AND HARMING MYSELF FOR THE PAST FEW HOURS!
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Then I would personally recommend just taking a break. VSBW and the internet in general is infamous for almost never helping stress, anxiety and other such issues. It's not exactly the most mature and sensitive place. It's just the nature of the beast. And I definitely recommend disengaging with it for a few hours rather than continuing to get worked up about it.
Coolboy6 said:
I wish I was never even made in the first place and now I’m starting to prove that point even further since the world would be better off without me
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Coolboy6 said:
A bit of both actually. For one, I have just witnessed the most traumatizing shit known to man and I felt like a horrible looking at it but I wasn’t sure how to express it and what made It worse is that some people decided to paint me as even worse than I was before even if I hated looking at myself. So then I decided that I didn’t like the person that I’ve become and that I felt like I was gonna be even worse than before
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That be rough. But I still wouldn't recommend or even agree with the action of going off on this forum. If you're feeling this way, talk to a family member, a close personal friend, etc. Maybe contact a therapist. This though? This ain't a good place for it.
 
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DarkDragonMedeus said:
I just got a message from Fanfiction.Net and it appears Pyrocons is questioning why he was banned. I suppose that we may need to do an IP check, but it's possible Garchomp/Scizor might have been lying about Pyrocons being an alt just to get innocent users banned. On the other hand, it is possible that the message could just be a tactic to just not face his consequences and that the fanfiction account is also him pretending to be someone else. But here was what the Fanfiction message said.

Also, I have asked both of them individually. Both the Fanfiction message and Scizor.

And the Fanfiction user's name was TheMiscallenousfic.

Of course innocent until proven guilty should be the general practice, but I think it's a good idea to have someone like @AKM sama or @DontTalkDT do an IP detection check.
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There was no IP overlap when I just checked.
 
Coolboy6 said:
A bit of both actually. For one, I have just witnessed the most traumatizing shit known to man and I felt like a horrible looking at it but I wasn’t sure how to express it and what made It worse is that some people decided to paint me as even worse than I was before even if I hated looking at myself. So then I decided that I didn’t like the person that I’ve become and that I felt like I was gonna be even worse than before

sorry
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I will send you a message with some hopefully useful advice to help you out.
 
This was done by @cloudyagami who is a repeat offender in the issue of adding things to the page that were not accepted, I honestly think he should be banned since the last time he was warned and told he will be permanently banned if he does it again, now I am not saying we permanently ban him but some few months, and it can just be his fandom account that should be banned since that is what he uses to cause atrocities
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
So there has been a private discussion regarding the actions of @Transcending and @Beyond_transcending

It has been announced that they continuously stonewall on DC Comics related revisions and argue in bad faith. But what is worse is that they have self admitted on a wide variety of places that it is their full intention that they do so deliberately just to get people "Triggered"; particularly Antvasima and Deagonx. It goes without saying that a common disagreement is one thing, but deliberately attempting to bait your opponents is another. Based on some common understandings and behavior, they are apparently affiliated with various Anti-VSBW groups who wish to possibility destabilize the wiki or at the very least our DC Comics cosmology and scaling to be full of loopholes and exaggerated statistics ratings.

I unfortunately cannot share any public evidence of this claim, because another one of their wrong doings is that they have friends on various discord groups and are willing to commit to harassment against anyone who tries to expose their malicious intentions and art of deception and post them on places like quora. So out of respect to whoever it is who shared us the information, we cannot give out screen shots. But deliberately making bad arguments with the intention of provoking people, deliberately trying to deceive people with outrageous claims to upgrade their favorite verse, asking your friends to mass produce proxy accounts just to upvote or gang up on a content revision, and harassing anyone who tries to expose their dark intentions are all list of things that we do not condone here and it is agreed to add up to be a permanent ban worthy offense. I have Antvasima, Mr._Bambu, Firestorm808, Deagonx, and AKM sama to act as witnesses. And we can share the information with the rest of the HR group if prompted.

But thus, they are both permanently banned as agreed by staff in discussion.
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Transcending had approached the HR group to appeal against his ban. So I am going to present some information regarding this.

(Quick note: It's not the HR group's responsibility to handle unban appeals. You can reach out to any admin/bureaucrat offsite for that matter to get your message conveyed here. The HR group is strictly for staff-related business.)

Anyway, the person who shared the screenshots earlier has changed his mind and now has no problems with them being publicly shared anymore. These are the screenshots that were shared before where Transcending was talking about the debating tactic of deliberately triggering people by exploiting their emotions to lead them to make bad arguments, in relation to emotionally vulnerable people. The crux was that it is easy to do it to Ant but difficult to do it to Deagonx based on their emotional intelligence scores.

With this in mind and the user's prior history of:
a) recruiting their discord friends to make accounts to make generic "FRA" comments on their CRTs
b) denying it and attempting to have Deagon banned for exposing it on false premises
it was decided that they'll be banned.

After Transcending approached the HR group to appeal, he provided these screenshots of the full conversation that took place, and I have checked with the user in question about the validity of it. Transcending said in his defense that he never explicitly admitted that he intentionally triggers people based on their emotional intelligence, even if it could be inferred that way by some. I am just putting the information out there because the reason for which this was not made public earlier doesn't exist anymore and this is not something that falls into HR group's responsibilities specifically. (Though it is the responsibility of admins and bureaucrats to evaluate such cases.)
 
As I said in DM, I still think they should remain banned since, they shared a different conversation that basically contradicts a previous conversation. Those alone basically indicate that they're not very honest people. They also had one of their friends make a proxi account on Discord and invited him to a voice chat just to attempt finding an angle for them to bypass Deagon having the transcending blocked on Discord. Which would still be what mob harassment is, making proxies or socks to an attempt try to further pester someone who has you blocked is harassment in the form of socks and proxies. And staff or not, harassing a valued contributor is not something we should condone here.

But it is good to know that the scans we used don't need to be made hidden since everyone can now evaluate for themselves.
 
PrinceofPein said:
This was done by @cloudyagami who is a repeat offender in the issue of adding things to the page that were not accepted, I honestly think he should be banned since the last time he was warned and told he will be permanently banned if he does it again, now I am not saying we permanently ban him but some few months, and it can just be his fandom account that should be banned since that is what he uses to cause atrocities
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I'd like to hear @Mr._Bambu 's thoughts on this one, as he's been involved with cases handling the guy before.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
They also had one of their friends make a proxi account on Discord and invited him to a voice chat just to attempt finding an angle for them to bypass Deagon having the transcending blocked on Discord
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I want to clarify just slightly, it was a group chat. I got a friend request from an account I had no mutual friends or servers with, and when I accepted I was immediately put into a group chat with Beyond_Transcending, who I have blocked, where he was sort of all-caps raging at me for the ban, several weeks after the fact. When I asked the user why he put me in that group chat he said it was because B_T asked him to.

But other than that, I completely agree, they've been routinely problematic on the forum.
 
I disagree. If the reason they got banned being that they “intentionally trigger people” wasn’t true, then they should be unbanned. As it seems they were talking about other people and not their own behavior. Additionally whoever lied and made the report should be punished.

DarkDragonMedeus said:
Which would still be what mob harassment is, making proxies or socks to an attempt try to further pester someone who has you blocked is harassment in the form of socks and proxies.
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Also if you’re trying to find a new reason to report them, shouldn’t they be allowed to defend themselves? As I think it’s pretty ridiculous to admit that the reason they were banned without being able to defend themselves was a lie, and then opt into another reason keep them banned.
 
PrinceofPein said:
This was done by @cloudyagami who is a repeat offender in the issue of adding things to the page that were not accepted, I honestly think he should be banned since the last time he was warned and told he will be permanently banned if he does it again, now I am not saying we permanently ban him but some few months, and it can just be his fandom account that should be banned since that is what he uses to cause atrocities
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I can attest to this. His calcs are just... awful. Downright awful. He's partly the reason I don't evaluate anything TR related at the moment. When their quality improves, then they can count on me to evaluate.
 
Xearsay said:
I disagree. If the reason they got banned being that they “intentionally trigger people” wasn’t true, then they should be unbanned. As it seems they were talking about other people and not their own behavior. Additionally whoever lied and made the report should be punished.

Also if you’re trying to find a new reason to report them, shouldn’t they be allowed to defend themselves? As I think it’s pretty ridiculous to admit that the reason they were banned without being able to defend themselves was a lie, and then opt into another reason keep them banned.
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This is a fairly egregious mischaracterization of what the situation is, as no one lied nor is it clear what's true or not, we only know what they have claimed, and they were not solely banned for one reason, there were a variety of behaviors and violations that contributed to it. Regardless, as a regular user with no involvement or information about the situation at hand, this isn't the place to be offering your unqualified opinion.
 
Xearsay said:
I disagree. If the reason they got banned being that they “intentionally trigger people” wasn’t true, then they should be unbanned. As it seems they were talking about other people and not their own behavior. Additionally whoever lied and made the report should be punished.


Also if you’re trying to find a new reason to report them, shouldn’t they be allowed to defend themselves? As I think it’s pretty ridiculous to admit that the reason they were banned without being able to defend themselves was a lie, and then opt into another reason keep them banned.
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There were already a lengthy list of reasons for why they were banned. Also, the one who got them reported was not lying; if anything I think their "Self defense" is what actually consists of lies. Provoking people wasn't the sole reason, but also constantly mass FRA trains via their friends making proxis and harassing people offsite. Deagon clarified my misunderstanding above but it still stands as another good reason to keep them banned.

Also, please let the staff decide as this is a staff decision unless there is something new to add, which your post isn't new and consists of just ignoring what is actually going on. And uncontributive comments on the topic will be deleted.
 
Regarding the Transcendings case: I would, of course, want to hear HR's opinions on the situation, and have for awhile, but there has been a certain level of communication disconnect in this regard. It should be no secret that I don't hold my own opinion in very high regard, whereas I hold their opinion in high regard indeed. However, my opinion is asked of me presently, so I will give it.

While I agree the newer images paint a less bad image than before, and that we should have received these images initially, the implication at the end is that one will abuse perceived emotional intelligence for their gain, which is beyond shitty. I remain in favor of action being taken, although the specifics of that action may differ from that which was doled out before- as I said, we were not privy to the information provided now when we took this action, and this update does mitigate things considerably.

Regarding the cloudyagami case: This man is indeed a serial re-offender whom I have spoken on in at least two other occasions. I would be in favor of a ban of, say, two months for continued poor behavior and ignoring staff warnings regarding unapproved page editing.
 
Sir_Ovens said:
Ok? He just says that it isn’t connected other canons. This doesn't refute what I said about the tier remaining Low 1-C.
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Yet it wasn't Low 1-C when it was made?

Sir_Ovens said:
Why would you ask the top 10 non-smurfs thread and not the SCP discussion thread where all the actually knowledgeable people are?
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It wasn't the intention of asking, no, more so the addition of the character in question.

Sir_Ovens said:
Plus, it doesn't even matter because you still have to make a CRT to adjust stats regardless.
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The CRT was already made, just not by me.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
Also, the one who got them reported was not lying; if anything I think their "Self defense" is what actually consists of lies. Provoking people wasn't the sole reason, but also constantly mass FRA trains via their friends making proxis and harassing people offsite. Deagon clarified my misunderstanding above but it still stands as another good reason to keep them banned.
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First of all, I know the accusation that they intentionally trigger people wasn’t true because I was actually sent screenshots of the conversation. And in that conversation they were talking about why emotional intelligence matters in debating and that some people argue to exploit other peoples emotions. They never claimed they did so.

Also what evidence do you have for the harassment stuff? And why would they get banned for something people who they know potentially did?

Also I’m not interfering with the staff. I’m simply questioning you on your claims and questioning why they weren’t allowed to defend themselves against what they’re being accused of doing. As of right now it seems like we’re just hearing one side and not the other.
 
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