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Rule Violation Reports (New forum)

Deceived said:
Its all up to you as Mods to choose which path.

I'll make a personal promise to everyone within this thread, i'll try my damnedest to make Gin change his ways on how he acts on this Wiki, i'll try to make him be less aggressive and less confrontational with everyone he disagree's with. I'll try to make him not make these type of "Jokes" within the Wiki ever again.
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To him it could be just a joke, but it is not the same to other who "received" his joke. So please tell him to think twice before write down comment especially when he is not in a good state of mind, because he can't just simply write down a joke and expecting people to take it as a joke like him and carry on. It is good that Micah is reasonable person and she just chill with it, with other people it will not be the same. If you foresee that he could potentially do this again you should take his attention away from the thread and let you debate instead
 
Vietthai96 said:
To him it could be just a joke, but it is not the same to other who "received" his joke. So please tell him to think twice before write down comment especially when he is not in a good state of mind, because he can't just simply write down a joke and expecting people to take it as a joke like him and carry on. It is good that Micah is reasonable person and she just chill with it, with other people it will not be the same. If you foresee that he could potentially do this again you should take his attention away from the thread and let you debate instead
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I've already DM'd him that if he needs to vent about someone he's debating against, to just vent those feelings to me. So hopefully that should massively decrease the rates of these types of outburst from him.
 
ByAsura said:
Decieved has convinced me that he's changed intentions from 2021, but I think something like a warning and/or 1-2 week ban is in order.
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I'm fine with the hyperbolic, joking remark warranting a ban of this length, especially with past behavior in mind.

ByAsura said:
It actually seems very, very lenient considering that people with the same jokes in similar contexts have gotten way longer or indefinite blocks, even without a long history like this.
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That's just either us being really inconsistent or the context of it being entirely different.

LephyrTheRevanchist said:
He got annoyed because of emojis, so he wished harm to someone else as a joke? My dude. Lol, that's all I got to say.
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This kind of mindset speaks sensitivity above all else to me; regardless of if someone finds a joke offensive it's still a joke, people can respond in such a way as they please but letting it speak for itself doesn't mean much to me here, nor should it mean much to anyone else.

@LordGinSama I will however say that not everyone is going to be able to tell when you are and aren't joking, for the love of God, Gin. Just use this potential ban time to think twice before you say something. "K Y S" may be a funny meme to say online even if you don't really mean it but people are going to get upset over it, tone it down here.

That's all I'm going to say on the matter.
 
In which universe and since when did saying someone's grandmother should get struck by lightning to a complete stranger become a joke that has been normalized enough to not warrant strict action? Yeah, joking about it to someone you are close with can be fun or whatever. But when someone says that to a stranger they are arguing with, simply because they used excessive emojis, cannot be interpreted as a harmless joke, it honestly seems like an attack. If some stranger had said that to me in the middle of a heated debate, I'd have permabanned them on the spot.

And considering Gin's history for which he has been banned and warned countless times, I very much agree with ByAsura and Lephyr. Conduct like this should not be tolerated in guise of jokes or some weird sense of humor. I have defended Gin's actions a few times here when he was reported for some minor things, but this warrants strict action, and I'd say a long ban if not permanent.
 
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Given that Gin has a long history of being a good contributor in content revision discussions, and only meant the comment as a tasteless joke, I think that an at most 1 to 2 months ban combined with a strict warning should probably be enough.
 
ByAsura said:
How about the King situation?
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Maybe a 2 weeks to 1 month block and a strict warning? He has not helped out as much as Gin has, and that is a really gross thing to say.
 
Antvasima said:
Given that Gin has a long history of being a good contributor in content revision discussions, and only meant the comment as a tasteless joke, I think that an at most 1 to 2 months ban combined with a strict warning should probably be enough.
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A ban for a simple joke? Really? A joke that the OP didn't even take offense to? I have no idea why some users here are attempting to make it seem like I did something a 1000 worse than I actually did.


Quite frankly if the OP knew it was a joke then literally none of you have zero say in the situation. You guys have staff that have literally commented much worse here on the wiki as a joke, and if you want I can post them. You guys are really acting as if I told another user to commit suicide or touched a sensitive topic as opposed to making a humorous joke.


Typically speaking I'd be fine with a punishment, but in this case that's some next level bullshit. And if I do get banned for such a minor offense (if you can even call it that.) I won't even bother coming back to a wiki like that.

And my previous offenses were for aggression and disobedience, not ever have I been warned or banned or a simple joke. You guys have staff members that'll comment shit like "**** you, rejected and I'm ******* your mom today." because the person it was directed at knew it was joke.


Also I'd prefer getting a different staff involved given that AKM has a long history of attempting to get me banned by grossly overblowning the context, or literally trying to post joke screens from a different sight to try to slander me.
 
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ByAsura said:
This fits a very consistent pattern of behaviour that hasn't changed at all, or gotten worse, since his block and warnings. It's humour, don't get me wrong, but it's going too far in this case.

Is this situation not worthy of a brief block or massive warning, at least?
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Oh yeah okay this is bullshit taken out of context. The first link wasn't even an offense and the second link was an inside joke with Friends who actually understood the reference.


Would appreciate if it you didn't try to blatantly antagonize me here using baseless shit and having zero context yourself. Matter of fact the second one is a meme about what CrabWhale posted awhile ago, verbatim.
 
If you actually read what I said and didn’t take me out of context, it’s about your use of slurs and considerable history of getting banned/reported.

It’s just a joke is not a good defence. Just don’t do this shit again, and you’ll be golden, ok?

As for those other people you talk about, I’ve never heard of anything on that level. Weekly and Matt were banned for less. Even if that were the case, A) it just puts all of you in the wrong, B) we’re talking about you, who’s been banned/warned many times, and C) we were planning on taking action against King for that same thing.
 
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LordGinSama said:
You guys are really acting as if I told another user to commit suicide or touched a sensitive topic as opposed to making a humorous joke.
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Please, do tell of the great nuance and intelligence it took to tell someone you wished their grandmother got struck by lightning.

A joke and what you find funny are two different things. Wishing death upon another might be funny to you but it is not a joke. A joke requires context and there is none. What you said was a statement, and a wholly tasteless one at that.

Just because the OP was ok with it, it does not make it any less of a problem. What if it was someone who actually took offence to it? What defense would you have then? On principle, what you said was wrong.

Bringing up past staff is a non-point. Pot calling the kettle black doesn't make the kettle any less black. Your actions still have consequences.
 
ByAsura said:
If you actually read what I said and didn’t take me out of context, it’s about your use of slurs and considerable history of getting banned/reported.
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Which is irrelevant since I've never been banned nor warned before in the past. My past warnings were about my aggressive behavior, and I sure as hell didn't use a slur either.


Sir_Ovens said:
Please, do tell of the great nuance and intelligence it took to tell someone you wished their grandmother got struck by lightning.
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Because it was a joke? One that the OP understood and visibly wasn't harmed by? The sheer tone should have made it obvious it was a joke.
Sir_Ovens said:
A joke and what you find funny are two different things. Wishing death upon another might be funny to you but it is not a joke. A joke requires context and there is none. What you said was a statement, and a wholly tasteless one at that.
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First of all, don't put words into my mouth. I never wished death upon anyone, lightning doesn't always kill when it strikes and if I wanted to include the death part I would have brought it up. What you find funny is irrelevant to me, the OP knew it was humor and has zero effect on anyone else other than him. Once again, acting as if I made a threat or a racist comment.
Sir_Ovens said:
Just because the OP was ok with it, it does not make it any less of a problem. What if it was someone who actually took offence to it? What defense would you have then? On principle, what you said was wrong.
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I wouldn't really care since they'd have nothing to get offended by given it was between two users, not several. It was an A & B conversation, with the comment aimed solely at A.
Sir_Ovens said:
Bringing up past staff is a non-point. Pot calling the kettle black doesn't stop the kettle from being any less black. Your actions still have consequences.
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Past staff? You literally have zero idea on what your even taking about given that he's still a staff member and a good one at that.
 
Sir_Ovens said:
A joke and what you find funny are two different things. Wishing death upon another might be funny to you but it is not a joke. A joke requires context and there is none. What you said was a statement, and a wholly tasteless one at that.
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The joke is how hyperbolic and absurd the statement is. “I hope your grandma gets struck by lighting repeatedly” is such an absurd and ridiculous statement that it’s obviously supposed to not be taken seriously and should be laughed at.
Sir_Ovens said:
Just because the OP was ok with it, it does not make it any less of a problem. What if it was someone who actually took offence to it? What defense would you have then? On principle, what you said was wrong.
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If you’re making jokes with people who aren’t offended then what’s the problem? From what Gin has said he only makes these absurd jokes for people who get the references or in response to other absurd jokes.
 
We have staff who joke like this, and there's no action taken because it's a hyperbolic statement.


If I told you that I'm gonna do 5 lines of blow, the run your cat over with a hippo then most people would assume it's a joke due to how absurd it is.
 
Gin I don't care if your circle of friends find an elderly lady being struck by lightning funny. On principle, it looks ******* bad to be saying something like that out loud on a public forum. It is not a good look for both you, and us.

Can you be more mindful of your actions when you're not on Discord where no one else can see the way you act? There is a level of decorum here that you are not abiding by.
 
Sir_Ovens said:
Gin I don't care if your circle of friends find an elderly lady being struck by lightning funny. On principle, it looks ******* bad to be saying something like that out loud on a public forum. It is not a good look for both you, and us.

Can you be more mindful of your actions when you're not on Discord where no one else can see the way you act? There is a level of decorum here that you are not abiding by.
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This I can actually do, yeah that's fair.

I'll try to refrain from R rated jokes then.
 
LordGinSama said:
We have staff who joke like this, and there's no action taken because it's a hyperbolic statement.


If I told you that I'm gonna do 5 lines of blow, the run your cat over with a hippo then most people would assume it's a joke due to how absurd it is.
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I'm not gonna act like I can defend Crab on that one. I know how he acts on Discord and I'm perfectly fine with that. But on a public forum I'd probably not condone such behavior.
 
LordGinSama said:
Which is irrelevant since I've never been banned nor warned before in the past. My past warnings were about my aggressive behavior, and I sure as hell didn't use a slur either.
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It’s completely relevant. If someone broke the rules in one way, and then does it in a different way, that certainly says a lot.

You insulted someone to high heaven, and you kept on doing it a bunch in the RVT.

Edit: I’m also realising now that I said slur. I meant insult.
 
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I just want to say that while I’m no fan of gin or his attitude on a lot of things, accusing someone of finding death and murder funny when they explicitly said it was the absurdism and nonsensical nature of the joke that was funny and intended to make it clear it was joking isn’t really a fair take, and I don’t think it’s fair to misrepresent that as maliciousness or negligence ovens.

the whole point is to avoid offense by being as absurd as possible, and assuming the worst just will clog things down with people making the worst possible interpretations

im not staff so I’ll leave it at that
 
Yobo_Blue said:
I just want to say that while I’m no fan of gin or his attitude on a lot of things, accusing someone of finding death and murder funny when they explicitly said it was the absurdism and nonsensical nature of the joke that was funny and intended to make it clear it was joking isn’t really a fair take, and I don’t think it’s fair to misrepresent that as maliciousness or negligence ovens.
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Not all people will accepted those words for a joke, especially aim that their family member, and the person who made the "joke" by all mean is just a totally stranger. Why they should find it funny because the one who made joke think it funny, why they should think it as a joke because the one who made the joke feel that way??? or you force them to think it is funny, and somehow they think it the other way is unfair take??? Some people could chill with it and know they are joke, but other could be more sensitive and get offended from the content of the "joke". So the best way is, refrain from making "heavy joke", you don't know what people will think
 
Okay. I suppose that a strict warning is probably enough then.
 
Maybe changing character stats is the offense I think happens the most, such as Tet being changed to 1-B, Anos Boundless, and I think there are many more, also seen the contents of the character profile being changed, and instead of returning it to normal, they just screenshots then creating content, I think we should tighten the profile, so it's not easy/anyone can change it
 
ByAsura said:
Weekly and Matt were banned for less.
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Weekly was attempting to bribe people and they both had history as well, it's why they were already previously demoted in the first place. So to say they were banned for less would be dishonest.

Not to mention that the person Gin said the comment to reciprocated it and admitted to being fine with it based on that:
Ss3micah said:
Besides I went back at him so I think we are even now
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