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they would still be 5-C, there are other feats. they would just be closer to baseline. the only thing this would affect as far as I'm aware is the Low 5-B upscaling.
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Revisiting Toneri's Moon Split
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Nah VSbattles would think that means its non-canon
The novel is the one on Shueisha's time line so it's statement should take precedence.
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This is on the day side Of The Moon, So we didn't see the Crack wich On Between day and dark side.
Good Joke's made by Fact like Usual, JK.
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I don't see where the facts are
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If we are saying that the novel is the primary canon, then it outright contradicts everything in the anime since it means the moon was not cut sideways, but the crack was facing the Earth. In that case, we just have to assume the minimum distance visible on the Moon from the Earth while also keeping in mind that the moon was much closer. And since this is the novel, we can't use the KE either as we have no visual. We can't use two contradictory sources.
If this is the case, then I don't know why the anime was being used since forever.
If this is the case, then I don't know why the anime was being used since forever.
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agree with the op but still they are would be 5-c or h6a at the worst scenario
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yes
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The Moon split is the highest Moon+ calc done by a single person.
which is around 355 Exatons
the Other Moon calc is 199 exatons for Toneri and like 200 exatons by dividing the Chibaku Tensei Calc.
274 exatons for Hagoromo and co.
which is around 355 Exatons
the Other Moon calc is 199 exatons for Toneri and like 200 exatons by dividing the Chibaku Tensei Calc.
274 exatons for Hagoromo and co.
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Maybe a version for each calc should be done.
If we will be using the novel, I should point out a few things.
First the moon was not so close, since it was stated in the novel that once it reaches a certain distance it would be impossible for the moon to be destroyed without the debris hitting earth (so yes we need to find that distance first)
2. We need to find the minimum visible distance like you said.
For the anime tho
The distance of the initial feat or the feat after a min(time of the canon, shows at least a min has passed) rewatched the scenes and it was not few secs, but yes it took some time and the moon is heading towards earth at tens of kilometers per sec already
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I think a single calc for the primary canon is enough for our purposes.
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if there are contradictions then the movie takes precedence.
The novel is supplementary to the film, it's there to give us Information when the film cannot.
The novel is supplementary to the film, it's there to give us Information when the film cannot.
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Do some research and you'll Find It.
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Not that it matters, the contradiction is art inconsistencies, in both the movie and novel kakashi could see the fissure.
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Agree with OP
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If naruto gets downgraded to country level,I'm ******* gonna cry all night.
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This Calc Would Make You Feel Better
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Question, did the pieces eventually fused back? If not, wouldn't toneri have overcomed the GBE?
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They only fused back after Toneri got his shit kicked in and Kurama started carving the victory message.
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Made this calc several months ago. 2 Calc staff agreed (Damage and Ugarik) and one (DT) asked to wait some time regarding more info on the feat. So bumping rn https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Nerd1435/Hagoromo_and_Hamura_place_the_Moon_in_its_orbit
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Also this was a thing
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I think this should be its own topic, for now let us deal with Toneri.
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I agree with Pain_to12. it would be impossible to see a 10 meter slit open on the moon (and all of this being seen from the earth) Thread arguments have many flaws, the idea and calculations might even be correct, but the arguments defending this are not. The Naruto at close range was having trouble seeing the crack in Obito's mask, so to say that just because they are "Superhuman" they would be able to see it is flawed.
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We also Had Close Angle Shoot To determined the The cleavage width on the Moon, Its Would be More Accurate Than Arguing The Long Shoot Scene, IMO
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Any proof that the half didn’t just get closer to each other after?I know this has been brought up before, but I feel the need to address it because the arguments I've seen on previous threads are just bad.
Currently Toneri's feat of splitting the Moon is calculated like this. According to the calc, the distance between the two halves of the Moon is 61.6 km going off of a single inconsistent scene. However, the problem with this is explained below.
The top two images are only a few seconds after the Moon was split, and the bottom two images are from a little bit later during the fight. We can see that throughout the fight, the distance between the two halves is depicted consistently to be much much lower than 61.6 km. So much so that the people standing on different pieces can casually talk to each other.
Moreover,
In this shot which is currently used for the calc, we can see that the width of the beam is comparable to the crack and the distance between the halves. If calculated using the same pixel scaling method, the width of the beam would be in tens of kilometers.
But,
In above shots, we see that the beam passes right behind the area where Kurama is fighting the Golem, and it is comparable to them in size. It is most certainly not kilometers wide, given that Kurama's size is portrayed between a several dozens to a couple hundred meters. This only goes to show further that the scene being used is inconsistent.
In these scenes we can see that the Golem is bigger in size than the crack, as he emerges from underneath destroying the edges due to its size.
Simply put, the reason we are using the one scene of moon that gives a distance of 61.6 km is because the feat happens in that scene. It doesn't matter if the feat happens in that scene. The feat simply tells us that the moon has been split. The distance between the halves is shown to us by many different scenes. And when there are about half a dozen scenes of the distance being some meters, than one scene with 61.6km distance is an outlier.
And given the other context, with the beam's width and Kurama's/Golem's size, it can be easily chalked up to be an art inconsistency because animators don't measure such stuff with a scale.
Another argument I've seen from people is that the pieces came together after being separated. That logic doesn't work because it implies that the two halves traveled 61.6 km in only a few seconds. With that kind of relative speed, they would have crashed instantly with a force that would have destroyed the majority of the Moon. Except we see that doesn't happen and the distance is constant throughout the fight.
In conclusion
There is literally no reason to use that one flashy show-y scene that is only meant to display the split that contradicts everything else and breaks the story, when there are about a half a dozen plot-relevant scenes where the distance is depicted to be some meters, people are talking about important stuff standing on opposite halves casually, the distance is depicted to be smaller than the Golem, the beam width from the currently used scene is inconsistent with other scenes, etc. At that point, it's simply an art inconsistency, and in cases like these, we always go with what's consistently shown to us and what's safer to use, ignoring the inconsistent showing.
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Don't quote walls of text. Also, that was literally never shown to happen in the scene.
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Evidently it would have to be because It’s literally shown as dozens of kilometers and suddenly it’s meters?
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That is easily fixed when you realize that the entire point of this thread is that there is an inconsistency in the image between scenes.
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ok then shouldn’t they just do a low-end to high end calc? With the current one being the high end?
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A recalc is most favorable, yes. Either way it'd probably just be baseline 5-C or High 6-A.
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These guys are highly trained super ninjas or whatever. While unbelievable it is possible.
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Yeah maybe but is it going to be like the kurama and Gyuki feat were we aren’t exactly sure the exact calc to use so they put in both calcs in their profiles?
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This was discussed previously already. The crack wasn't visible to the naked eye because the moon was cut sideways. Only a ring was visible.
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That's dumb. In this case the low-end is the only possible end to be used.
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I agree. The halves more than likely got closer to each other after the split. This is also supported by the shinobi on the moon not realizing that they were on the moon making the 15% hollowness to have earth like gravity
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And did it take a super machine to see that Kurama was writing on the moon? haha, wtf
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How?
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