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They aren't dropping though, they scale to other 5-C feats regardless.
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Revisiting Toneri's Moon Split
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This is false, Toneri was moving The Moon towards the Earth with TK while fighting Naruto, and considering the split happened sideways from Earth they just came together, the timeframe between the cut and the next scene with smaller distance is roughly 17 seconds. I don't think it's far fetched to assume Toneri did it, I would say it is logical.
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Well I woke up to something interesting.
I agree with the OP. And as others have pointed out it'd still be baseline of 5C.
Rip upscaling
I agree with the OP. And as others have pointed out it'd still be baseline of 5C.
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It didn't bypass the GBE of the Moon. Idk why you guys think Toneri imparted an energy beyond Moon's GBE
Just separating from each other doesn't mean GBE has been overcome. They need to have overcome each other's gravitational influence completely, aka they should keep getting farther away until infinity (under no external gravitational influence)
Just separating from each other doesn't mean GBE has been overcome. They need to have overcome each other's gravitational influence completely, aka they should keep getting farther away until infinity (under no external gravitational influence)
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In fact, with the Kinetic Energy that the two halves should have been imparted if the distance was 60km, they should have kept getting farther away from each other infinitely.
Because the Kinetic Energy imparted >> Gravitational Potential Energy of interaction between two halves.
They couldn't have ever gotten back by themselves. You should argue Toneri pulled them back with Telekinesis
Because the Kinetic Energy imparted >> Gravitational Potential Energy of interaction between two halves.
They couldn't have ever gotten back by themselves. You should argue Toneri pulled them back with Telekinesis
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Toneri has no reason to spend excess energy to bring it back together seconds after it was split, while he was already fighting Naruto. Whether the halves were meters apart or stayed kilometers apart, it wouldn't have changed his final goal. The moon would still have crashed on Earth with almost the same force in both cases and destroyed it.
And even if he had any unknown reason to do so, he wouldn't have let the distance become 61.6 km in the first place and would have held it together from the moment he cut it.
I think we should not go into unfounded assumptions territory regarding what Toneri did if we have no proof of it, and given the inconsistency of the size of the beam and everything, it's pretty clear the scene is just drawn inconsistently and shouldn't be used.
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I don't know if you misunderstood or something, but I'm not claiming that Toneri pulled them back.
I said in case the distance was 60km, considering the time frame in which the split happened, that kinetic energy is large enough to make the parts keep drifting away forever. They couldn't have gotten back together on their own without an external influence outside the system.
Tldr; I'm saying if you want to argue 60km split happened, you should argue Toneri pulled them back rather than saying they attached back closer due to mutual gravitational influence.
I said in case the distance was 60km, considering the time frame in which the split happened, that kinetic energy is large enough to make the parts keep drifting away forever. They couldn't have gotten back together on their own without an external influence outside the system.
Tldr; I'm saying if you want to argue 60km split happened, you should argue Toneri pulled them back rather than saying they attached back closer due to mutual gravitational influence.
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That is just untrue on so many levels.
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There's no "excess energy" moving the moon is a casual feat for him with Tenseigan.
Except that 60 km thing happened seconds right after the Moon was cut and the lesser distance scene happened 17 seconds after that moment.
The cut was made sideways from Earth's POV and he was moving the Moon towards it, the idea of those halves getting together is more logical.
And the beam was shown to be massive compared to the Moon.
I am honestly pissed how everyone unanimously agrees with this without even questioning anything.
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People also outright saw the moon split from earth which would only be possible with a split like the one during the feat
Also the scaling during the feat is far more reliable
Also the scaling during the feat is far more reliable
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Only the scientific team realized it, Kakashi had no clue (i think it was Kakashi?) Plus from the Earth POV we saw nothing. So it's likely that it was cut so that it splits it so that the moon is landing into the piece flying in front of it if that makes sense
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The scientific team was observing the moon clearly and the second it happened they confirmed it happened.
also for the second part I don't think it makes sense
also Kakashi says what just happened so he clearly knows something changed in the moon without a sharingan
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Is there a Novel Version of this feat? People are still able to perceive the cut from Earth in that version?
Just curious though.
Just curious though.
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It wasn't nearly close enough for them to see it
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Not a Naruto guy, I think you should tag people who argued against this in the past. This has probably been brought up many times in the past few years.
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It was close enough for Earth's gravity to pull meteors down from the moon, how close that is exactly, I have no idea.
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Toneri was sending the meteors also the moon would have covered the entire sky (even the Roche limit wouldn't have a 10 meter crack be visible)
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During earths POV it looks more yellowish
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If we were to be really technical about this, it would be so close that the life would've already ended on Earth and the Moon would've covered the sky, but that clearly wasn't the case. It somehow just happened that the Moon fragmented and those pieces fell onto earth. Maybe it's due to tenseigan Idk
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Oh yeah maybe
I mean something like this
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Not sure if that outweighs several images of the split being less than a hundred meters wide.
Also, Kakashi didn't actually notice the split, he just noticed something happened, it was the science team that stated the moon was split, and given what I just said, it's probable they noticed it through means other than seeing it, clearly they're doing something to keep track of the moons position and state.
Lastly, the moon is clearly very close to the planet, like several hundreds of times closer than it would ordinarily be.
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Man, this is through a telescope. By definition the cut should be less than 20km if it can't be seen in a telescope though. Null already talked about this.
Again, from Earth's POV, we don't see nothing.
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Funnily enough, I don't see any visible cuts there.
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That's why I said that it's probably a sideways cut (like, the GWRE wasn't swung towards the Earth when splitting the Moon)
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I see, but, we do see an image through telescope where the cut took place. (presumingly) While you can see damage, you cannot see the clean cut whatsoever.
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It was seen through a telescope people literally said they saw it the second after it happened
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We don't know that. The damage made around the cut was far thicker, they could've seen that. And again, a literal image through telescope was shown to the audience, as I already posted. No cuts, what. so. ever.
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none of those were through a telescope
other then the one not related to Toneri at all
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thats a few times closer
also keeping track of a 10 meter cut instantly is not possible when the moon is moving multiple kilometers per second
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Toneri connected one of his chakra beads, and stretched it vertically. The bead stretched out into a single, shining blade. Toneri began to wave the giant blade.
“Kinrin Tenseibaku!”
The long blade of light attacked Naruto, and cut into the moon’s surface.
*****
“I-I can’t believe it…” the astronomer complained at Konoha’s air defense command center.
“Th-the moon…”
“What is it!? Properly report it!”
“The moon has been cut in half!”
“What!?”
When Kakashi looked up, there was indeed a fissure in the moon’s surface.
There was ten minutes left until the space-time chakra cannon would fire. There was nothing Kakashi could do but pray for the safety of Naruto and the others.
Unless you can see a 10meter crack on a moon, yeah no.
Or the fact that hundreds of naruto clones won't fit into that 10meters
“Kinrin Tenseibaku!”
The long blade of light attacked Naruto, and cut into the moon’s surface.
*****
“I-I can’t believe it…” the astronomer complained at Konoha’s air defense command center.
“Th-the moon…”
“What is it!? Properly report it!”
“The moon has been cut in half!”
“What!?”
When Kakashi looked up, there was indeed a fissure in the moon’s surface.
There was ten minutes left until the space-time chakra cannon would fire. There was nothing Kakashi could do but pray for the safety of Naruto and the others.
Unless you can see a 10meter crack on a moon, yeah no.
Or the fact that hundreds of naruto clones won't fit into that 10meters
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So I guess that confirms it
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These are superhuman ninjas to be fair.
But either way, in the movie the fissure wasn't facing towards the people on Earth. Doesn't make a lot of sense either way for it to be visible.
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Fair
But I dont think they can see cross planetary distances clearly.
The novel should take precedence, but it doesnt matter tho, the argument was how kakashi could see the cut on the moon and the novel clarified he did see the fissure on the moon
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Fully agree with The OP but Country level, Are You fking serious?
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country level toneri is really a good joke
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