Revisiting Toneri's Moon Split

[Slacjow]

The only reason Sakura performed that feat and was in that position is because of the "teamwork" and stuff, otherwise she gets bodied by much weaker characters.

 

[The_Alxhemist]

I don't see why not. Nobody else (y'know, outside of the god-tiers) scales to her, and as an adult, she was able to body Shin who gave Naruto and Sasuke a bit of a hard time.

Her situation is basically like the Kages against Momoshiki.
It's either an outlier or there's a power cliff

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Shin who gave Naruto

Via TK

Sasuke a bit of a hard time.

A weakened Sasuke

 

[Reio35]

Isn't it stated she scales to them in the databooks

 

[GodlyCharmander]

That's like scaling Sakura to Sasori when it was clearly-- Oh wait, we do that?

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

That's like scaling Sakura to Sasori when it was clearly-- Oh wait, we do that?

Other than an added justification for Durability. What's your point?

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Other than an added justification for Durability. What's your point?

Oh no, it's nothing. There are so many problems with the scaling of Akatsuki Members that I don't even know where to begin.
But, for the sake of argument, I will just say that I believe that Sakura and Chiyo vs Sasori is complete PIS

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Isn't it stated she scales to them in the databooks

KCM and EMS Sasuke

 

[Nullflowerblush]

kcm naruto is at least high 7-a

 

[BlackeJan]

nah we already agreed that Naruto can draw power from his other forms without needing to directly transform, hence why Base Naruto crapped on Amped Momoshiki with his rasengan.
that reminds me Naruto was meant to be revised as Varies in Base as oppose to Unknown.

Gonna have to stop u right there. We have directly seen Naruto use Kurama's chakra (because if that last punch to Toneri). Naruto's chakra and Kurama's are both golden and the only time (I think the purpose of it) to show that Naruto is using his own power is when he isn't a mode or the golden chakra he's using doesn't have any symbols on it (like it would have in his transformations)

 

[KingTempest]

Gonna have to stop u right there. We have directly seen Naruto use Kurama's chakra (because if that last punch to Toneri). Naruto's chakra and Kurama's are both golden and the only time (I think the purpose of it) to show that Naruto is using his own power is when he isn't a mode or the golden chakra he's using doesn't have any symbols on it (like it would have in his transformations)

When he’s in KCM his chakra is blue. That was specifically for the last movie.

 

[BlackeJan]

When he’s in KCM his chakra is blue. That was specifically for the last movie.

I dont remember his Chaka being blue in the movie. Heck I remember that the official art in the OG, Jiraiya or someone said that Naruto's chakra is golden itself

hold on let me see if I can find it

 

[Nullflowerblush]

His Chakra is yellow, and his Rasengan has always been a golden color in Kishimoto's work. The fact that all of Naruto's Rasengans in The Last were golden falls in line with its portrayal in the manga; this makes sense, considering The Last is supposed to be a canonical continuation of and a love letter to the original series.

 

[KingTempest]

I dont remember his Chaka being blue in the movie. Heck I remember that the official art in the OG, Jiraiya or someone said that Naruto's chakra is golden itself

hold on let me see if I can find it

I mean in the anime. I’m the movie he has orange rasenshurikens and such, but that was never showcased in any other canon animation.

Idk if the color for Naruto is the official one (maybe it is, idk), but it’s not a priority of mine since I use it all the time.

 

[KingTempest]

His Chakra is yellow, and his Rasengan has always been a golden color in Kishimoto's work. The fact that all of Naruto's Rasengans in The Last were golden falls in line with its portrayal in the manga; this makes sense, considering The Last is supposed to be a canonical continuation of and a love letter to the original series.

Nvm

 

[BlackeJan]

So yes....That punch that Naruto delivered to Toneri could had either been the KCM power or his own. But everything else that we saw was beforehand was most def his own power

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Nothing in the scene ever suggests that Naruto was borrowing power from Kurama. When he borrows power from Kurama in order to power up his attack, like the Rasengan, his hand would burn a bright yellow, the same cloak he bears when using his Nine-Tails Chakra Mode; as seen in the scene where Naruto initially attacks Toneri with a Rasengan, his arm glows a bright yellow. When he punches Toneri at the end of the movie, his arm also glows a bright yellow, immediately after he dropped out of Nine-Tails Chakra Mode, in fact. Along with that, in the novelization, the narrator states that this feat was performed using Naruto's own "massive chakra" and Hinata's Chakra, making no mention of Kurama's assistance.

 

[AKM sama]

What is being discussed right now? Have the edits been done?

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

What is being discussed right now? Have the edits been done?

IIRC, Hamura and Hagoromo remaining 5-C+ (275 Exatons Each) for their CT Calc (550 Exatons) with Kaguya scaling to them.

 

[BlackeJan]

Nothing in the scene ever suggests that Naruto was borrowing power from Kurama. When he borrows power from Kurama in order to power up his attack, like the Rasengan, his hand would burn a bright yellow, the same cloak he bears when using his Nine-Tails Chakra Mode; as seen in the scene where Naruto initially attacks Toneri with a Rasengan, his arm glows a bright yellow. When he punches Toneri at the end of the movie, his arm also glows a bright yellow, immediately after he dropped out of Nine-Tails Chakra Mode, in fact. Along with that, in the novelization, the narrator states that this feat was performed using Naruto's own "massive chakra" and Hinata's Chakra, making no mention of Kurama's assistance.

I didn’t even noticed this....that can actually change things

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

The fact that all of Naruto's Rasengans in The Last were golden falls in line with its portrayal in the manga;

Not all Rasengans lol.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Not all Rasengans lol.

Is it fine for Hagoromo, Hamura, and Kaguya to have their "+" back?

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Is it fine for Hagoromo, Hamura, and Kaguya to have their "+" back?

No


jk, will edit them back soon

 

[Reio35]

In the last novelization it's stated naruto used all his night in that last punch so that was his max power

 

[theultimate5105]

In the last novelization it's stated naruto used all his night in that last punch so that was his max power

It also states that it was his chakra and not Kuramas

 

[ΚΟΜΙΞ]

Is it fine for Hagoromo, Hamura, and Kaguya to have their "+" back?

Shouldn't Rinne Sharingan Madara get the + back since it was stated to reach Hag's power and eventually Hagoromo stated that Madara wants Kaguya's power?

 

[WrongIdea21]

His Chakra is yellow, and his Rasengan has always been a golden color in Kishimoto's work. The fact that all of Naruto's Rasengans in The Last were golden falls in line with its portrayal in the manga; this makes sense, considering The Last is supposed to be a canonical continuation of and a love letter to the original series.

FYI, Jiraiya has yellow Rasengan too.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Rasengan variants, Raiton Chakra Mode, and many other chakra projection techniques that are portrayed as blue in the anime, are actually yellow in the original manga.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Not all Rasengans lol.

I hate this movie so much.

We should probably take this discussion to another thread, so that this one can finally rest in peace.

 

[BlackeJan]

I hate this movie so much.

We should probably take this discussion to another thread, so that this one can finally rest in peace.

Indeed but who will make the discussion?

 

[Nullflowerblush]

me

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

We already have a General Discussion Thread.

 

[AKM sama]

will edit them back soon

Alright! If the edits have been done, then we can close this thread.