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Yes? Infinity in regards to a spatially infinite series of events? It's still CM and accepted as such. This isn't a defeater.The profile claims he brings the concept of infinity into reality, nothing about manipulating the concept of space.
Infinity functions by converging space as an infinite series. Objects that approach Gojo slow down, and never reach the target.
Not really getting into this as I'll be abstaining from JJK matches from now on (this match is old beef however), but Gojo's infinity space is separate space from regular space that has abstract mathematical properties with special inner products (characteristics that define the rules of his space)/manifolds. So no, it is not just regular space and is inherently abstract which shouldn't be a shocker given his power is conceptual in a world whose otology is inherently abstract.The profile claims he brings the concept of infinity into reality, nothing about manipulating the concept of space.
Infinity functions by converging space as an infinite series. Objects that approach Gojo slow down, and never reach the target.
It's a stomp in Regulus' favour.Who is winning?
That doesn't make the space he is converging conceptual and therefore uninteractable.Yes? Infinity in regards to a spatially infinite series of events? It's still CM and accepted as such. This isn't a defeater.
Gojo does not do any creating of space. Limitless does not create space at all.Not really getting into this as I'll be abstaining from JJK matches from now on (this match is old beef however), but Gojo's infinity space is separate space from regular space that has abstract mathematical properties with special inner products (characteristics that define the rules of his space)/manifolds. So no, it is not just regular space and is inherently abstract which shouldn't be a shocker given his power is conceptual in a world whose otology is inherently abstract.
Yes he does [2]Gojo does not do any creating of space. Limitless does not create space at all.
"It extended all the way to space, existence, and the world themselves... So as to cut them. Without regard for your inviolability, as long as it exists inside the space, that world, those existences would split apart."That's why Sukuna had to circumvent to hit Gojo in "that world" which obviously infers that Infinity is separate from regular reality.
Yes, Sukuna is plainly stating he had to go beyond just space and the world (the universe in context), and go all the way down to the fundamental level of something just existing. He clearly implies that infinity is regularly a problem, however Sukuna solved this problem by targeting something that included both the regular reality shared by everyone, and Gojo's own "world" or "space" hence the usage of "that" which implies differentiation from regular reality as Sukuna would have stated "as long as it was apart of this reality" had this not been the case."It extended all the way to space, existence, and the world themselves... So as to cut them. Without regard for your inviolability, as long as it exists inside the space, that world, those existences would split apart."
It seems pretty clear what Sukuna means is that Gojo exists on the same plane as him so cutting space bypasses Infinity.
You're a bit too wrong here to be so confident, but hey, go off and ignore what actually happened.Also because white really tried to pass of “that world” as a separate world when it is referring to the previous pages of Sukuna being a dumbass and hyper describing the space of the world with a shot of earth from space.
No, when he mentions extending it to the world, there is no notion that he is targeting a separate world that Gojo is inhowever Sukuna solved this problem by targeting something that included both the regular reality shared by everyone, and Gojo's own "world" or "space"
This isn't really a counter argument, you're just asserting this despite the language of the text demonstrably going against what you're saying. The quote in full is:No, when he mentions extending it to the world, there is no notion that he is targeting a separate world that Gojo is in
From this quote we are told the following:"What I wanted from Mahoraga was a "model". A model of how to tear through your infinity. After first adapting, Mahoraga was altering the essence of its own cursed energy...In order to neutralize and nullify your Infinity. That was something I was unable to do so I waited. I waited for it to discover another adaptation to counter your Infinity, one I could use. The second adaption was exactly what I had been anticipating, but it wasn't sending slashes flying like I do. It was expanding the technique's target. It's intended target wasn't just you Gojo Satoru, but Space, the Entire world, existence itself. It targeted everything before it unleashed those slashes. Your infinity meant nothing . As long as it existed within that space - that world- it would all be torn apart. It was a near impossible technique to pull off, but that model proved the be quite effective."
Usually infinity is obviously a problem, Sukuna erases this problem by targeting something so expansive, it also encapsulates Gojo's space which is typically inviolable , hence his statement about "that world", with the obvious inference being that Gojo is typically protected by existing in "that world" but by superceding his infinity space with a larger target, he would still be able to hit Gojo as displayed.
"My slash targeted space, the world and existence. So long as you exist in that space, you get cut"It's intended target wasn't just you Gojo Satoru, but Space, the Entire world, existence itself. It targeted everything before it unleashed those slashes. Your infinity meant nothing . As long as it existed within that space - that world- it would all be torn apart
Finally.Cutting space would already be cutting existence because everything that exists is within a 3D space.
You are blatantly ignoring the usage of the term "that world" here, that's not extraplating. Nor does anything here go against my response."My slash targeted space, the world and existence. So long as you exist in that space, you get cut"
It's pretty spelt out that Sukuna bypassed Infinity because it exists on the same plane as him. I don't know how you're extrapolating this to mean Gojo exists in his own world separate from everything else. Cutting space would already be cutting existence because everything that exists is within a 3D space.
Where's the "beyond" part... he just cut the world, at no point in the scan that I've seen so far has he stated to cut beyond the world. If you're making arguments based on a specific quote don't insert stuff that isn't thereMahoraga bypassed limitless via cutting existence beyond just space and the world (once again world is not planet in this context) not by sending slashes flying like Sukuna.
"that world" refers to the plane that both Sukuna and Gojo exist, Sukuna was literally talking about targeting the world and that so long as Gojo exists within it he will cut cut alongside it.You are blatantly ignoring the usage of the term "that world" here, that's not extraplating. Nor does anything here go against my response.
None of that is actually accepted as being the verse's ontology.So the void underlying even type 2 info
I didn't say it was conceptual though. I simply said that it uses conceptual Manipulation and that over coming it would require feats of such. That's not the same thing as claiming infinity is a purely conceptual space.It's a stomp in Regulus' favour.
That doesn't make the space he is converging conceptual and therefore uninteractable.
Yes, and once again, this doesn't disprove Gojo being in a separate dimension that is also encapsulated by what sukuna targeted. That's literally what he is directly telling you. Sukuna would have said "this world" if Gojo wasn't inherently in a separate and closed off space making him "inviolable""that world" refers to the plane that both Sukuna and Gojo exist, Sukuna was literally talking about targeting the world and that so long as Gojo exists within it he will cut cut alongside it.
Yes it is? [2] Along with Sukuna and Mahoraga cutting through Infinity with concept manip type 2, so trying to pass of space cuttes alone as being able to do a comparable feat is just incorrect.None of that is actually accepted as being the verse's ontology.
What you're proposing with that had 3 staff members against it and none of Maitreya's counter arguments, which had heavy support, were addressedYes it is? [2] Along with Sukuna and Mahoraga cutting through Infinity with concept manip type 2, so trying to pass of space cuttes alone as being able to do a comparable feat is just incorrect.
Sukuna's statement doesn't prove Gojo is in a separate dimension at all, not the other way aroundYes, and once again, this doesn't disprove Gojo being in a separate dimension that is also encapsulated by what sukuna targeted
Blud it was literally accepted hence why it's on Gojo's profile.What you're proposing with that had 3 staff members against it and none of Maitreya's counter arguments, which had heavy support, were addressed
My viewpoint had 2 admins in favor of the proposal and 2 weeks grace passed with multiple tags to the dissenting staff, at which point Elizha also gave the blessing to close the thread and for further contentions from staff to be handled in a further CRT (which is what Grath proposed as well prior to 2 week grace). All of which you can read in that thread.What you're proposing with that had 3 staff members against it and none of Maitreya's counter arguments, which had heavy support, were addressed
Sukuna's statement doesn't prove Gojo is in a separate dimension at all, not the other way around
I'm talking about the Void nature of JJK's verse being proposed with a hierarchy above Type 2 Information (which has no evidence for comprising the verse)Blud it was literally accepted hence why it's on Gojo's profile.
Disagree? Make a CRT or stop complaining.
Blud, info type 2 has been accepted forever. The exact hierarchy I described is blatantly passed in the Ontology Thread. The extension of that thread into abilities was also passed with controversial parts being taken out from the original piece and passed.I'm talking about the Void nature of JJK's verse being proposed with a hierarchy above Type 2 Information (which has no evidence for comprising the verse)
Type 2 Information was never accepted as comprising the verse. Void Manipulation was a heavily contested part of that CRT and, again, none of Maitreya's arguments against it were properly addressed and countered to invalidate the votes of 3 staff membersBlud, info type 2 has been accepted forever. The exact hierarchy I described is blatantly passed in the Ontology Thread. The extension of that thread into abilities was also passed with controversial parts being taken out from the original piece and passed.
Yes it was and that's why it is on the profiles lmao. If a verse comprised of matter and spirit is falsely belied by info type 2, than guess what? Info type 2 comprises those things. Like, what are you arguing here?Type 2 Information was never accepted as comprising the verse. Void Manipulation was a heavily contested part of that CRT and, again, none of Maitreya's arguments against it were properly addressed and countered to invalidate the votes of 3 staff members
Regulus' attacks cannot be slowed down because by freezing them in time via Lion's Heart, they become unbound by any laws or concepts that may hold them back.If we currently accept you need CM2 on your space hax to beat Infinity than Regulus can't bypass it. I don't see why Infinity wouldn't be able to slow down Regulus's attacks as we don't currently accept there's a speed cap on it.
Type 2 Info was accepted to comprise the body and soul, not the verse's ontology as a whole that is somehow inferior to the empty nature of the verseYes it was and that's why it is on the profiles lmao. If a verse comprised of matter and spirit is falsely belied by info type 2, than guess what? Info type 2 comprises those things. Like, what are you arguing here?
And an admin and 2 other mods agreed with the arguments against it, Maitreya's counter arguments towards the arguments in support that those 2 admins agreed with were still never addressedThe only contention was the void stuff which 2 admins found to be ok'd
If info type is comrpising matter and soul, wich are typically the root of fundamental existence, then info type becomes the new more fundamental structure for existence. Like in our world matter, space, and time and physical parameters encompass what exists. If souls came around and were proven, we'd have to expand our model of ontology. This is the same thing that applies to every verse.Type 2 Info was accepted to comprise the body and soul, not the verse's ontology as a whole that is somehow inferior to the empty nature of the verse
Yes and two admins + and additional admin clarifying that the present thread could be passed is enough to pass, as is what happened. I'm not really gonna continue to engage with this as its derailing the thread at this point and completely separate to Reggie not having CM 2 to bypass infinity.And an admin and 2 other mods agreed with the arguments against it, Maitreya's counter arguments towards the arguments in support that those 2 admins agreed with were still never addressed