Regarding non-canonical elements in SF and E. Honda's feat

[SuperAPM]

Apparently the calc is wrong tho

 

[Lavcore]

that's why it should be recalced

 

[Lavcore]

@everyone

alright alex has responded and is working on the recalc.

 

[Lavcore]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...Street_Fighter_-_Honda,_Suzuki,_Empire_Keeway

 

[SuperAPM]

If that isn't disregarded as an outlier then we might just have High 7-A Akuma make a return

 

[BoomerKuwanger1]

Why would high 7-A akuma return

 

[Lavcore]

he'd probably be higher than 1.2 gigatons from pure scaling.

 

[SuperAPM]

Um....he's way way way stronger than these guys?

 

[Lavcore]

Why would high 7-A akuma retur

if akuma breathed in edmond's direction he'd be obliterated instantly.

 

[BoomerKuwanger1]

How is that wrong? We know Edmond is the strongest SF character. Why di you think he just stays on his shower business?

 

[Lavcore]

edmond honda the 3rd is not the strongest SF character and also because he's a pervert(for both genders)

 

[SuperAPM]

Um, Honda is like Chun Li tier or whatever

 

[BoomerKuwanger1]

Honda stomped Chun li, Gill, Terry, Kyo, Liu Kang, Akuma and Sheng Long dude.

Did you even play the game?

 

[Antvasima]

How does Honda officially roughly rank in terms of strength, and was his feat canon?

 

[Lavcore]

honda is equal to hakan but doesn't really participate in shadaloo takedown plots and usually minds his own buisness.

dubiously canon as with most arcade endings but with the upcoming canon page changes it would probably be considered usable.

 

[BoomerKuwanger1]

He is considered at least conparable to the likes of chun li, Cammy and Zangief, who fought amped dolls, which kept up with Ken.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, I personally do not mind if we use the feat. Maybe he is supposed to be comparable to most of the higher tiers in terms of raw power, but not in speed, skill, and versatility?

 

[Lavcore]

yeah he isn't really comparable in skill considering he has to be reminded that many of his moves wouldn't actually fly in sumo, versatility is a weird spot honestly and speed probably not for obvious reasons.

 

[Lavcore]

we should probably talk about if the feat is an outlier or not now, as stated in the Outlier page: "However, all effort should be made to try to reconcile outliers with other canon information, and only the most extreme examples should be classed as completely unusable. Often there is disagreement on exactly what constitutes an outlier, and things that are considered an outlier by some might not be considered to be one by everyone. Careful judgement should be used in all cases." so my reasons for it not being an outlier is this:

- Hakan threw honda at extremely high speeds

- Edmond got severely injured when he collided with the meteor forcing him to use crutches

- E. honda is largely featless so this probably doesn't contradict anything like it would if say x character has displayed consistent 8-B feats but suddenly does a 4-C attack, this is an outlier while edmond minds his buisness most of the time.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, like I mentioned, I do not mind if we use it. Just because Honda is less skilled and swift does not mean that he is much less powerful.

 

[Lavcore]

i agree but many people would disagree so i wanted to outline my reasons for believing it isn't an outlier.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[BoomerKuwanger1]

To be fair, Honda was not in the shadaloo raid because Karin did not even ask him to join in. She only asked Ken, Mika, Ibuki, Birdie and Chun i believe, with the rest coming for the raid on their own.

Ryu went because ken told him to, Cammy went there with Juri, etc.


So, him not going to the raid is not really that big of a indicaation that he is that far behind the others.

 

[Lavcore]

i'm not only referring to SFV.

 

[Antvasima]

@Boomer

Please stop interfering. I still think that you are likely a sockpuppet.

 

[Hellbeast1]

Under what evidence?

 

[Antvasima]

His/her account was created and he/she started repeatedly posting in a Fire Emblem thread right after Ted Ed, who had been carrying the same conversation, was banned for also being a sockpuppet.

 

[Hellbeast1]

Still that's a conversation for another thread, not in a Street Fighter thread where you use that to discount their arguments.

 

[Antvasima]

That was not my intention. I just got suspicious that he/she was trying to derail.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I don't even know what is going on in this tread anymore.

 

[SuperAPM]

E.Honda's feat got recalced to Mountain+/Island level

What do you make of it?

 

[Lavcore]

bump.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

E.Honda's feat got recalced to Mountain+/Island level
What do you make of it?

Outlier beyond any shadow of a doubt.

 

[SuperAPM]

Yeah, to be honest, kinda have to agree. When even Akuma's greatest feat only reaches up to the hundreds of kilotons, things start looking weird when the low tiers perform something that exceeds that by over a thousand times over bare minimum.

 

[Antvasima]

I do not know. Maybe Honda is not supposed to have less raw power than the high tiers, just less speed and skill, and maybe Akuma didn't have to use his full power that time?

 

[Lavcore]

Yeah, to be honest, kinda have to agree. When even Akuma's greatest feat only reaches up to the hundreds of kilotons, things start looking weird when the low tiers perform something that exceeds that by over a thousand times over bare minimum.

a feat he performed extremely casually.

 

[SuperAPM]

That was anything but casual. Not full power, but certainly not causal. And still doesn't negate the massive discrepancy.

 

[Lavcore]

he smiled and then punched the ground that is like the definition of casual.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sy1-bRB7IsU

 

[SuperAPM]

Um.... No, not remotely how that works.

 

[Lavcore]

please explain how alpha 2 akuma(one of his earliest versions) smiled and then punched the ground without any sign of significant effort is not casual.