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Regarding non-canonical elements in SF and E. Honda's feat

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No, but we're not talking about an average energy attack like an Hadoken, we're talking about the total sum energy of a persons being. Very rarely is that ever scalable to regular AP. The scene makes it very clear that its far greater than what Bison can actually output himself, unless you want to argue Ryu is that far above him.

Furthermore, cut the insults, that stuff is entirely unnecessary and just reduces conversations down to pointless bickering, so please, remain civil.
 
SuperAPM said:
Furthermore, cut the insults, that stuff is entirely unnecessary and just reduces conversations down to pointless bickering, so please, remain civil.
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Agreed.
 
I never insulted you unless the word dense is considered to be too much, which isnt

All you said by far doesnt debunk anything, also it scales like that here, Ryu body generated that much for the satellite to nuke a city, his durability is at that level, those that scale to him get AP from that
 
Insulting someone's intelligence is not tolerated on here in general, whichever word is chosen to express such insults is irrelevant. Don't do it.

Ryu doesn't produce that amount of energy tho, he contains it. The amount of energy something contains does not determine its structures durability. Again; Feedback can absorb and contain the energy of the big bang within its body and not have that come anywhere close to scaling to his dura. I could find several other examples of this if I could be bothered.
 
So just cuz that character doesnt have it at such you gotta disregard it cuz you say so?Not how it works buddy

Yes it does, you can brag about it how much you want, it doesnt change anything, that energy is that generated from his body, Nash when he tried to absorb Bison energy in SF5 exploded, he couldnt take all of it, resulting in his body tearing apart, that alone seals the deal here that durability=ap from that
 
I'm sorry but how does that last point help you? If Nash is capable of curbstomping Bison but explodes by absorbing his energy, that only proves that the amount of energy Bison contains within his body is greater than both his typical energy output and his own durability.
 
Antvasima said:
Okay. That is too bad. I would appreciate if she improves the Cano page.

You can ask a few other administrators and discussion moderators if you wish, yes.
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I'm still going to work on that. I just don't want to argue about anything.
 
@Sera

Okay. Thank you very much for the help.
 
@SuperAPM

Excuse me but where have i said Nash curbstomps Bison?Nowhere thanks for lying and making stuff up, at this i cant take you seriously after this

Also when Nash blew up, Bison was right there in his face and tanked that, disproving your argument of his energy being above his durability

And my point in that comment helps me cuz it proves his body couldnt withstand too much energy and a result exploded and didnt survive it, meaning their body is durable enough to withstand a certain amount, therefore Ryu scales in durability to that

So far you just bring up stuff that changes nothing and ignore them just cuz
 
@BlackDarkness679

You really need to watch your tone and make an ongoing effort to be respectful and polite.

Consider this as an official warning.
 
I didn't.... say you did? Nash both beat and overpowered Bison right before he started absorbing his energy, meaning he's either = to or > than Bison is physically. If he can't take absorbing his internal energy inspite of this then that simply means said energy is > to Bison's regular output or durability. Its not like he even absorbed a whole lot considering Bison walked away as if almost nothing had been taken, meaning his internal energy is >>> his own regular output.
 
Not to be rude to you Ant, but you could have sended a warning either here or my wall instead of doing both, as that was more typing and work on your part
 
Nash never beat or overpowered him at all physically anywhere, the only characters in the street fighter universe that can put Bison down and overpower him are Evil Ryu and Akuma

And this argument makes no sense from you, you cant have your energy you generate inside be above your durability or AP
 
Well, the wall was for the sake of reference to other staff members, in case you continue to behave badly.
 
Of course he beat him, that's specifically why he was on the ground in the first place.

I'm gonna level with ya for a sec; Regardless of if it makes no logical sense, Fiction rarely cares for such things. The point is, both in the main feat that's being discussed here and the example you provided for me, a characters total sum energy is much greater then what they typically produce as regular attacks.
 
Where was he on the ground....Bison didnt lose to Nash anywhere stop making stuff....

You can still apply some logic to some stuff, that isnt a good argument and the character total energy being greater then its durability and such its false

Cell had enough ki in his body to put into his kamekameha to blow the solar system and he was killed by Gohan blast that had more power then his, his durability couldnt withstand a blast above his

Boros releases all his energy in his body to blow up Earth, Saitama overpowers that and hits him with something far above his blast and his body is seen messed up

Examples from other franchises, that AP=Durability, you need to withstand the energy you output in your body, else it tears up
 
Literally on the ground after being defeated just moments before Nash started to absorb his energy.

Your examples are not equivalent to this situation; Again, we're talking about the total sum energy within someones body, you're using examples of what are essentially regular attacks. If Ryu performed this feat with a regular Hadoken we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

For the record, Boros' CS;RC is almost 10x his own AP and Durability (183 Petatons >>> 23 Petatons). His body can't withstand a direct hit from a blast like that, yet he's still capable of containing all of it within himself without it scaling to his usual AP and Durability. As another example from OPM; Brave Giant's physical shell is 7-A, but its Millenium Emperor Nova yields almost 15 Gigatons of explosive power. It obviously can't tank that energy directly, yet it still contains all of it within itself directly despite its robotic body not possessing the durability to handle such power.
 
@SuperAPM

So what revisions should we do here?
 
As much as I'd want to, I don't believe the feat focused on in the OP should be used, since its Ryu's total sum energy that's being used to perform the destruction, which doesn't really scale to his regular AP. Its made clear as well that said energy is above Bison's own power, since its only after he has this energy that he states he's now acquired the ultimate destructive power and is now unstoppable because of it.
 
i would prefer if we waited for the canon page revision to be created before any changes to ryu and dhalsim are made.

we still have to talk about e. honda though.
 
Do we have an accepted calculation for the E. Honda feat?
 
well according to darkness the calc is wrong so a recalc would be preferable to avoid error.
 
Okay. You can ask Spino, Executor, Damage3245, Alex, and Ugarik to help you out, if you wish: VS Battles Staff
 
Yeah, Ryu would only scale to 7-C alongside Bison and all the other 7-B's (before the High 7-A were downgraded that is.) The previously High 7-A's would be High 7-C
 
Antvasima said:
Okay. You can ask Spino, Executor, Damage3245, Alex, and Ugarik to help you out, if you wish: VS Battles Staff
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If Alex does not have the time or interest, you can ask the others as well.
 
His total sum energy being 7-B (if that is indeed what that explosion yields) is fine. No one would scale to it tho, and his regular moment to moment power level would be 7-C. Honestly, his total sum energy shouldn't even be mentioned on his page since its not exactly something he can use in battle.
 
@ant

everytime i try to leave a message on spino's wall it doesn't show up am i doing something wrong?
 
nvm figured it out.

apparently you have to start the message with a capital or else it doesn't go through which is dumb.
 
it's not going to be downgraded if the canon page revision goes through and if e. honda's feat is not an outlier.
 
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