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Yes, the In-Multiverse key for Perpetua was removed and replaced by a Diminished State instead.
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Rebirth Superman and World Forger Revision
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Doesnt The World Forger key also should be affected due it?
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No since Alpheus had directly stated (twice) that his power is greatly dismissed on a lower plane of existence.
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Thanks for the information
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No problem
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This has been brought up before like twice, pretty sure both Matt and Elizio countered that. I'm pretty neutral but AerrowStorm does make a good point.
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Unless we want to add a new note on his page, I don't think so.
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He gave him a black eye and WF was even afraid that Superman could kill him.
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Go read that comics again and return.
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Who doesn't have a beef with DC and Marvel right now?
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Death Metal is unironically good I think, I know a guy who’s barely into comics and he liked it. Also I read speed metal and I think it did the Flashes justice.
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All my manga and anime friends don't read comics but only death metal made them to start reading comics.
The first comics I read should be in 2007/2008 when my uncle got me an avengers comics.
Anime should also be around that same year also( I started watching naruto,dragon ball and pokemon and later bakugan).
The first comics I read should be in 2007/2008 when my uncle got me an avengers comics.
Anime should also be around that same year also( I started watching naruto,dragon ball and pokemon and later bakugan).
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So we're saying that Superman going all out with multiple sun-amps giving WF a black eye is 2-A? I've read the story and I don't recall the 2nd thing you said, do you have a scan?
I have read the comic, if you have an argument to make, feel free to do so.
Comic book characters are the only characters I know much about in terms of battleboarding. I don't have beef with them at all, and I loathe the notion that being a fan of a verse or character means you should be arguing for as high as possible a rating for them.
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He one shotted him.
I haven't seen anyone wank any comic book character without scans of what he/she saying.
Sorry about my English.
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One-shotting means killing or completely defeating with one hit. Alpheus literally got up moments after that happened.
Sure, but they wank the scans to mean things that they don't.
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Why knocking out someone doesnt scale to AP?
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Sure unless you make a CRT to downgrade him, that said his current justification would probably make him 2-C since AM and Monitor are getting downgraded, although he'd still be 2-A for withstanding an attack from Superman who just bust a multiverse and there might be other tier 2 feats for him in the comic.
I've got this from Ehnkr2beboh. That said I'd interpret it differently than he did, my interpretion would be that WF still sees Superman as a threat, that he's capable of foiling his plan and as a result Perpetua (I think, maybe it's the Hands?) would kill all of them.
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Because he wasn't knocked out, he was knocked down. There's a considerable difference.
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He still didn't look that well if you ask me. He's literally coughing in pain.
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There is no difference to a portuguese speaker, even if I translate what u said (I did) the translation is literally the same, whats the difference?
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Exactly what happened
Except if the person misinterpreted the scans. But most people just wanna be biased based on unknown reasons.
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He means that knocking someone down can be done by tackling someone. Like you could knock down Mike Tyson if you throw your entire body weight on his legs, but you sure as hell ain't knocking him out.
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Superman didn't bust a multiverse, see my comment in the last page, the reason the Multiverse was destroyed was because World Forger was prevented from striking his hammer. Likewise, knocking someone down doesn't scale you to their durability if you didn't cause them any significant lasting damage.
Yeah the implication there is certainly that if Superman interferes, the Judges will destroy them all. He repeats this notion after Superman prevents the finishing of his multiverse saying "There's no way to turn the Multiverse towards Justice in time for the Judges to see"
Knocking someone out means hitting them so hard that they are unconscious. Knocking someone down means they simply fall over.
If he were completely defeated he wouldn't have gotten up moments later.
Well, he's coughing, I don't think that adds anything significant beyond knocking him down.
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Elizio countered, take it up with him.
Superman caused damage, that's all that's relevant here. Heck usually any amount of damage can (down)scale you from someone considering you'll both be within the same tier most of the time (or the tier right under that in 3D). But with Supes he probably upscales from WF instead of downscaling.
Ok so a 2-A sees Superman as a threat rather than as a fly he can just swat away.
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Is dealing any amount of damage to a being enough to scale your AP to their durability?
No he didn't.
Sure? We know Superman was capable of interfering since he literally interfered. That's why he tried to convince Batman to move the suns away from Clark.
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This discussion is also kinda irrelevant soon considering WF's gonna get downgraded probably (not sure though since he has more than just scaling to the other Monitor brothers) so in fact what you need to argue is that since WF still got up after Superman punched him, that he also scales to 2-A since Superman didn't oneshot him.
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Within reason and depending on context, yes. Slamming into someone hard enough to actually cause pain is more than enough.
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How does WF not being oneshot by Superman make him 2-A if the justification for Superman being 2-A is based on him knocking down WF?
Very well.
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He said the multiverse was stable.
Ok so this backs up that him hurting WF is legit since he wouldn't ought him capable of interfering if he couldn't hurt him or destroy the multiverse.
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I literally said Anti-Monitor's getting downgraded right before that and then implied that we'd have to reverse the scaling.
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The editor said it wasn't, and WF never said it was either.
This is circular logic. WF knowing that Superman was capable of doing what he did, isn't itself a separate justification. The action is the justification, which is what the discussion should revolve around, not WF predicting it.
...that's not a response to what I'm saying.
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It looks like a short term damage. I don't understand why it scales to 2-A.
Does the Wiki have an explanation page for this?
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Attack Potency, Durability page? I mean, if someone has X dura and ur AP is enough to hurt the dude, ur AP scales to his Dura
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Any damage means you bypassed his durability with your strength. It doesn't have to be lasting harm.
Not really, since it's pretty straightforward. I guess you can read the Durability and Attack Potency pages?
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WF did according to Elizio, as such primary canon > WoG.
It means it's not PIS.
Read what I said again, then read World Forger's page, then come back and you'll realize what I said makes sense.
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This is from the wiki page on Powerscaling under the "Examples of Viable Powerscaling" page:
Character A has a City level feat. Character B lost to Character A, yet still put up a considerable fight, was able to harm him and clearly made Character A exert effort into defeating Character B, then it is safe to assess that Character B has City level Attack Potency and Durability as well.
I suppose then the question becomes whether this one punch knocking WF down would be considered harm or a considerable fight, since if World Forger were not dismayed by the crumbling of his multiverse he most likely would've stood back up and had no trouble instagibbing the league.
Character A has a City level feat. Character B lost to Character A, yet still put up a considerable fight, was able to harm him and clearly made Character A exert effort into defeating Character B, then it is safe to assess that Character B has City level Attack Potency and Durability as well.
I suppose then the question becomes whether this one punch knocking WF down would be considered harm or a considerable fight, since if World Forger were not dismayed by the crumbling of his multiverse he most likely would've stood back up and had no trouble instagibbing the league.
Elizio did not say that WF said the multiverse was stable.
No one was arguing that it was.
If you aren't going to form an argument then drop the point. Telling someone to read something is not an argument.
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