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Yes, the In-Multiverse key for Perpetua was removed and replaced by a Diminished State instead.Also, I have a question, doesnt the ''within multiverse'' keys already was going to be removed since Perpetua CRT?
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Yes, the In-Multiverse key for Perpetua was removed and replaced by a Diminished State instead.Also, I have a question, doesnt the ''within multiverse'' keys already was going to be removed since Perpetua CRT?
Doesnt The World Forger key also should be affected due it?Yes, the In-Multiverse key for Perpetua was removed and replaced by a Diminished State instead.
No since Alpheus had directly stated (twice) that his power is greatly dismissed on a lower plane of existence.Doesnt The World Forger key also should be affected due it?
Thanks for the informationNo since Alpheus had directly stated (twice) that his power is greatly dismissed on a lower plane of existence.
No problemThanks for the information
This has been brought up before like twice, pretty sure both Matt and Elizio countered that. I'm pretty neutral but AerrowStorm does make a good point.If those Twitter statements align with the actual story I suppose Superman didn’t destroy a multiverse. The only feat here would be defeating the World Forger
Unless we want to add a new note on his page, I don't think so.So, is there anything left to do here?
He gave him a black eye and WF was even afraid that Superman could kill him.Superman didn't defeat World Forger. He knocked him down and then he got back up afterwards with no significant damage.
Go read that comics again and return.Superman didn't defeat World Forger. He knocked him down and then he got back up afterwards with no significant damage.
Death Metal is unironically good I think, I know a guy who’s barely into comics and he liked it. Also I read speed metal and I think it did the Flashes justice.Who doesn't have a beef with DC and Marvel right now?
So we're saying that Superman going all out with multiple sun-amps giving WF a black eye is 2-A? I've read the story and I don't recall the 2nd thing you said, do you have a scan?He gave him a black eye and WF was even afraid that Superman could kill him.
I have read the comic, if you have an argument to make, feel free to do so.Go read that comics again and return.
Comic book characters are the only characters I know much about in terms of battleboarding. I don't have beef with them at all, and I loathe the notion that being a fan of a verse or character means you should be arguing for as high as possible a rating for them.I've seen your past activities in this wiki and i think you got beefs with comic book characters. Especially DC/marvel.
He one shotted him.So we're saying that Superman going all out with multiple sun-amps giving WF a black eye is 2-A? I've read the story and I don't recall the 2nd thing you said, do you have a scan?
I haven't seen anyone wank any comic book character without scans of what he/she saying.Comic book characters are the only characters I know much about in terms of battleboarding. I don't have beef with them at all, and I loathe the notion that being a fan of a verse or character means you should be arguing for as high as possible a rating for them
One-shotting means killing or completely defeating with one hit. Alpheus literally got up moments after that happened.He one shotted him.
Sure, but they wank the scans to mean things that they don't.I haven't seen anyone wank any comic book character without scans of what he/she saying.
Sure unless you make a CRT to downgrade him, that said his current justification would probably make him 2-C since AM and Monitor are getting downgraded, although he'd still be 2-A for withstanding an attack from Superman who just bust a multiverse and there might be other tier 2 feats for him in the comic.So we're saying that Superman going all out with multiple sun-amps giving WF a black eye is 2-A?
I've got this from Ehnkr2beboh. That said I'd interpret it differently than he did, my interpretion would be that WF still sees Superman as a threat, that he's capable of foiling his plan and as a result Perpetua (I think, maybe it's the Hands?) would kill all of them.I've read the story and I don't recall the 2nd thing you said, do you have a scan?
Because he wasn't knocked out, he was knocked down. There's a considerable difference.Why knocking out someone doesnt scale to AP?
He still didn't look that well if you ask me. He's literally coughing in pain.One-shotting means killing or completely defeating with one hit. Alpheus literally got up moments after that happened.
There is no difference to a portuguese speaker, even if I translate what u said (I did) the translation is literally the same, whats the difference?Because he wasn't knocked out, he was knocked down. There's a considerable difference.
Exactly what happenedcompletely defeating with one hit.
Except if the person misinterpreted the scans. But most people just wanna be biased based on unknown reasons.Sure, but they wank the scans to mean things that they don't.
He means that knocking someone down can be done by tackling someone. Like you could knock down Mike Tyson if you throw your entire body weight on his legs, but you sure as hell ain't knocking him out.There is no difference to a portuguese speaker, even if I translate what u said (I did) the translation is literally the same, whats the difference?
Superman didn't bust a multiverse, see my comment in the last page, the reason the Multiverse was destroyed was because World Forger was prevented from striking his hammer. Likewise, knocking someone down doesn't scale you to their durability if you didn't cause them any significant lasting damage.he'd still be 2-A for withstanding an attack from Superman who just bust a multiverse
Yeah the implication there is certainly that if Superman interferes, the Judges will destroy them all. He repeats this notion after Superman prevents the finishing of his multiverse saying "There's no way to turn the Multiverse towards Justice in time for the Judges to see"I've got this from Ehnkr2beboh. That said I'd interpret it differently than he did, my interpretion would be that WF still sees Superman as a threat, that he's capable of foiling his plan and as a result Perpetua (I think, maybe it's the Hands?) would kill all of them.
Knocking someone out means hitting them so hard that they are unconscious. Knocking someone down means they simply fall over.There is no difference to a portuguese speaker, even if I translate what u said (I did) the translation is literally the same, whats the difference?
If he were completely defeated he wouldn't have gotten up moments later.Exactly what happened
Well, he's coughing, I don't think that adds anything significant beyond knocking him down.He still didn't look that well if you ask me. He's literally coughing in pain.
Elizio countered, take it up with him.Superman didn't bust a multiverse, see my comment in the last page
Superman caused damage, that's all that's relevant here. Heck usually any amount of damage can (down)scale you from someone considering you'll both be within the same tier most of the time (or the tier right under that in 3D). But with Supes he probably upscales from WF instead of downscaling.Likewise, knocking someone down doesn't scale you to their durability if you didn't cause them any significant lasting damage.
Ok so a 2-A sees Superman as a threat rather than as a fly he can just swat away.there is certainly that if Superman interferes, the Judges will destroy them all
Is dealing any amount of damage to a being enough to scale your AP to their durability?It's pretty blatant that some form of damage was inflicted.
No he didn't.Elizio countered, take it up with him.
Sure? We know Superman was capable of interfering since he literally interfered. That's why he tried to convince Batman to move the suns away from Clark.Ok so a 2-A sees Superman as a threat rather than as a fly he can just swat away.
Within reason and depending on context, yes. Slamming into someone hard enough to actually cause pain is more than enough.Is dealing any amount of damage to a being enough to scale your AP to their durability?
How does WF not being oneshot by Superman make him 2-A if the justification for Superman being 2-A is based on him knocking down WF?in fact what you need to argue is that since WF still got up after Superman punched him, that he also scales to 2-A since Superman didn't oneshot him.
Very well.Slamming into someone hard enough to actually cause pain is more than enough.
He said the multiverse was stable.No he didn't.
Ok so this backs up that him hurting WF is legit since he wouldn't ought him capable of interfering if he couldn't hurt him or destroy the multiverse.Sure? We know Superman was capable of interfering since he literally interfered.
I literally said Anti-Monitor's getting downgraded right before that and then implied that we'd have to reverse the scaling.How does WF not being oneshot by Superman make him 2-A if the justification for Superman being 2-A is based on him knocking down WF?
The editor said it wasn't, and WF never said it was either.He said the multiverse was stable.
This is circular logic. WF knowing that Superman was capable of doing what he did, isn't itself a separate justification. The action is the justification, which is what the discussion should revolve around, not WF predicting it.Ok so this backs up that him hurting WF is legit since he wouldn't ought him capable of interfering if he couldn't hurt him or destroy the multiverse.
...that's not a response to what I'm saying.I literally said Anti-Monitor's getting downgraded right before that.
Does the Wiki have an explanation page for this?Within reason and depending on context, yes. Slamming into someone hard enough to actually cause pain is more than enough.
Attack Potency, Durability page? I mean, if someone has X dura and ur AP is enough to hurt the dude, ur AP scales to his DuraIt looks like a short term damage.I don't understand why it scales to 2-A.
Does the Wiki have an explanation page for this?
Any damage means you bypassed his durability with your strength. It doesn't have to be lasting harm.It looks like a short term damage.I don't understand why it scales to 2-A.
Not really, since it's pretty straightforward. I guess you can read the Durability and Attack Potency pages?Does the Wiki have an explanation page for this?
WF did according to Elizio, as such primary canon > WoG.The editor said it wasn't, and WF never said it was either.
It means it's not PIS.WF knowing that Superman was capable of doing what he did, isn't itself a separate justification
Read what I said again, then read World Forger's page, then come back and you'll realize what I said makes sense....that's not a response to what I'm saying.
Elizio did not say that WF said the multiverse was stable.WF did according to Elizio, as such primary canon > WoG.
No one was arguing that it was.It means it's not PIS.
If you aren't going to form an argument then drop the point. Telling someone to read something is not an argument.Read what I said again, then read World Forger's page, then come back and you'll realize what I said makes sense.