In this case the multiverse was already ushered to reality.
The multiverse was clearly stable as he had even imprisoned every villain in it.
He laid there based on the damage he took he never said cause he give up.
Scans of this.
Right, that's my point. The concept of stability in the context of Alpheus discussing his role in the World Forge, and in the explanation given by Marino, are referring to different things. World Forger is speaking on long-term viability as it pertains to his plans to trick the Judges of the Source into not deleting the multiverse. That's not what Marino is talking about when he says they were unstable and crumbled when WF failed to cement them.
You are pulling this from thin air.
The scans of this have already been posted. It's literally what he says right after he is punched, that Superman has doomed them all.
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I mean accuracy is better than biases
This is the note as it stands:
I think the latter, because whatever realm they are in is expressly described as physical, saying that Clark was moving so fast that it would take light hours to reach him.
Yes, IMO, because Superman's 2-A is a direct scaling to WF.
More specifically, the editor said that the lack of the hammer striking was what destroyed universe. Superman never attacked a universe directly. And I agree that downgrades of any kind tend to incite outrage amongst the fans. I think it's really frustrating, because I'm a huge DC fan and really do love these stories, which is the main reason I don't want to see them misrepresented as a means to win battleboard matchups.
Yes, accuracy is obviously most important, but it also isn't fun when they start hate-campaigns against us for trying to do our jobs, especially if they recruit big YouTubers to join in.
Regular 2A(scaling to world forger)
It's not World Forger but Anti Monitor who's downgraded
I’ve just gotten confirmation from Nia that he did in fact almost punch out true state WF... sigh. I’ll see if I can get the evidence
They're essentially considered equals are they not? In terms of tier at least.
Even if its true,people will see it as an outlier or won't still agree anyways,so 2A is still better anyways.....and the fact DC comics is still on going,plus this new infinite frontier arc can make explain more on DC cosmology,like death metal.
Accuracy is important, not what people think. It’s just a boomtube-like amp, whether we make a key for it or not is up to Ant basically since it’s a notability issue.
It is just the COIE version of the Anti-Monitor that is being downgraded.
Not exactly since a rebirth key might be added for the Anti-Monitor and the Monitor scaling or not to their classic versions.
Okay. Would other knowledgeable members be willing to help us with the Anti-Monitor scaling thread then? I would appreciate the help.
We do not have the available time and sufficient information right now.
Why can't we just do all 1 at time?then evaluate them together? Won't that be better?
A big DC revision is planned to properly scale the characters.
When it's going on,can you hit me up? Will it be this month or next?
I brought this point up in the thread where this was getting discussed. I personally found the feat to be vague in the comic, and in that case, if the editor is clarifying the feat without contradicting the primary material, then it should be fine to use imo.
I don't think he even destroyed one universe if you're going with that interpretation. And the fanboys being angry is not a reason for anything. I don't know why you keep including these reasons in big revisions. We are doing this to be accurate, not to please the fanboys. And no matter what you do, people will going to be angry at you regardless, because some of them will be thinking it's wank, and others, downplay.
The notes about why he scales to the Forger/it not being and outlier, as well as the one for not being amped, can be there and unchanged. The reasoning for it not being 1-A should be something along the lines of "While technically still in the 6th Dimension, Superman and the Justice League members were still in a Multiverse, so their size and powers wouldn't be changed". This is pretty rough around the edges, but I hope my point in it is understood.
Yeah, it should be the 2-A standards. Like, DC's cosmology is High 1-A or something, and a Universe is in DC. Doesn't mean the Universe within it is the same dimensional tier. Although, I would like to hear out Green's argument for 1-A he apparently has heard of.
What suggests it was only 52 Universes? Isn't the DC Multiverse size still at 2-A here? But anyways, if World Forger is downgraded to 2-C, Superman scaling to him would only be 2-C, yes. So, we likely should wait for the Anti-Monitor downgrade threads and other threads to end before progressing here.
I don't think the Editor's view is consistent with the story. As pointed out above, the Forger returns unstable Universes to the forge, and Alpheus says he was almost done, to the point where he was swinging the anvil. Forger also specifically says you destroyed it, so I don't think we can say it was a nonfeat like some suggested. However, if it is proven to be most likely Low 2-C (which I'm open to), other people's opinions shouldn't matter. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. I know people who think the feat isn't even Planetary, so they'd probably still be mad with a Low 2-C rating, just like how people think it's 1-A would. So, accuracy should definitely matter more, and if people offsite disagree, it really shouldn't matter.
World Forger explains that the multiverse used to be infinite, but was then reduced to 52. Perpetua mentions the number as 52 often in the story as well.
I think it is. I explained this in another comment, but Forger's meaning regarding unstable is a bit different than what Andrew Marino most likely meant. World Forger is referring to the long term viability of the universes, what will last and what wont. That's not what Marino means, he's saying that until WF strikes his anvil for these universes to replace the current multiverse, they are unstable structurally.
His actions destroyed it, certainly.
Yes. Agreed. My apologies.
To give a short summary the Galaxy Superman is in that is outside of everything, is literally outside of everything. There’s no “regular multiverse” in the sixth dimension since it’s all made out of pure possibility. The not being able to exist in the sixth dimension isn’t a madness problem since Superman doesn’t go mad from seeing Quantum Zealots who are above 5D imps. Mxy used his full power to make the portal to the 6th dimension and stated even he himself couldn’t exist there. The league probably can exist there due to Alpheus altering the portal. Alpheus also says he can’t exist on the same plane of reality as Batman. In short the multiverse you see in the sixth dimension is way bigger than the regular multiverse similar to how Apokolips is way bigger than the multiverse and it is where Alpheus’ true form exists, who is 1-A.
This is the scan.
Superman also literally states he transcends imagination during the feat though. The sphere of the gods also looks physical for it’s inhabitants while actually being metaphysical. Isn’t there a lot in the comic also implying the metaphysicality of it all? Those suns could also be 1-A suns, again it really just seems to be where true form world forger lives and where his forge is located I guess.
Injuring someone is enough to scale to their Durability
