Raiden vs Dante [CONCLUDED]

[Witchakorn]

just only alice in comic and no one else (kind like a rape scence to him) if he can use fearhax he should use it for entire game timeline by now with low level demons and the game will be more a lot easier

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Does he use it in character though?

Only when his life is in extreme danger, from DMC2 onwards it becomes the Majin Form.

@Witch

It doesn't make sense when in the majority if not all the games he just stomps everyone and everything with the exception being Vergil/Urizen and Mundus, his life never is in danger outside of that, and even the times he was about to die another power awakened instead (DT with Vergil, Sparda DT with Mundus) with the exception being Urizen who completely one shoted him beyond any form of saving.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

That's not a great willpower feat, those are more like stamina feats.

 

[SpookyShadow]

Uh... Would you, on the brink of death go and sacrifice yourself to save your friend from ship (even though you have family to live with)? That requires some god tier braveness and courage. Idk what you really consider willpower but for me guy who doesn't fear death or even higher stake than that while knowing he has little chances of surviving has some good ass will.

I define willpower like, will to fight. Even when you know you have little to no chances you stand still or something.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Okay… how does that help?

Before you say more: "Depending on the user and medium, Fear Manipulation can occasionally be depicted as a power which can be overcome with bravery, willpower and courage"

Not only Dante never showed to have his fear hax resisted by others (besides vergil) and Raiden never experienced said hax but the page explicitly said it depends and not that someone's can resist.

 

[SpookyShadow]

Wait... Dante doesn't have this on his profile, does he?

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Well, he doesn't… Touché

He still can play it safe after Raiden breaks his arms during a sword clash and drain him from afar since he lacks mid/ large range weapons and keep it going with his teleport.

 

[SpookyShadow]

If you mean guns would play a role, then still, Raiden can easily deflect bullets. Even Sam who didn't have reactions augmented by cyborgization and was fully human easily deflected multiple bullets at once. Better HF Blades have great range, being able to cut things even out of casual sword range. He did this even in MGS4. But yeah, Dante can outrange at times.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Sam doesn't matter here as he completely stomped Raiden post MGS4, him being fully human or not doesn't matter.

What matters is that Raiden can deflect bullets since MGS2 but he could be overwhelmed and Dante can fire pretty fast.

 

[Witchakorn]

if ask Hideki Kameya who create dante he will say no fearhax exist even u Mention a comic he will not say it a fearhax just comic plot and again people ask him about dante that did he Universe Level after he fight Mundus shown in the game.Nope He Said no Dante not on Universe Level. yeah if u r on Universe Level.Game Timeline would be more easier and when vergil comeback in DMC5 just for a swordfight Dual? Is that Call Universe level Fight? the real universe level fight was on Marvel Comic as Example how real universe level fight should be

 

[Witchakorn]

Just gun dont stop Raiden in Equal Speed fight. He still use Royal Guard and everything he had in the fight. it kind like gameplay fight when u play Pre dante to fight Raiden in equal speed as a boss in DMC3

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

if ask Hideki Kameya who create dante he will say no fearhax exist even u Mention a comic he will not say it a fearhax just comic plot and again people ask him about dante that did he Universe Level after he fight Mundus shown in the game.Nope He Said no Dante not on Universe Level. yeah if u r on Universe Level.Game Timeline would be more easier and when vergil comeback in DMC5 just for a swordfight Dual? Is that Call Universe level Fight? the real universe level fight was on Marvel Comic as Example how real universe level fight should be

…Your point being?

 

[Witchakorn]

The Creator alway right what Dante can do or Dante cant and what he create is. The Real Universe Level Fight was show in Marvel Comic A lot with evidence truly show how it is. Hideki dont agree about this because his game dont create to be Universe level for player to play with.

 

[ShivaShakti]

...Uhh... Hideki Kamiya didn't make DMC3... That was Hideaki Itsuno...

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

The Creator alway right what Dante can do or Dante cant not and what he create is.

That's not how things work, if the "creator" words contradict what is shown in game/manga/anime then we can't use them.

There is a thing called death of the author or something like that

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Doesn't Pre Awakening Dante have Quicksilver? If so couldn't he just stop time and hack Raiden into pieces?

 

[ShivaShakti]

Doesn't Pre Awakening Dante have Quicksilver? If so couldn't he just stop time and hack Raiden into pieces?

He does not. Geryon is WAY after DT

 

[Witchakorn]

So DMC3 Dante is better than DMC1 Dante even not the same creator? Not the same Universe?

even he not create it. DMC 1 Dante was stronger than 3 and Cant deny Original Creator

Even u ask Hideaki Itsuno about fearhax it gonna be debunk Plus Univese level Debunk too

I not said raiden can win this but Dante cant use Fearhax and He not Univese Level Character

Death of the author Yes U can whatever u want if he death with evidence he create.

But DMC Creator still live and Peoples Already ask them before.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Yes, he is.

Oh yeah, DMC1 Dante is stronger, I'm not denying Kamiya created DMC but he isn't the owner nor created DMC3, Itsuno did.

His words contradict what is shown in the media so we don't take them.

Got a problem with Dante busting universes? Not my problem, go make a CRT.

That's not what death of the author means tho. Go and search for it.

People asked Kamiya before and we got universe busting DMC…

 

[ShivaShakti]

I really feel I should report for trolling at this point.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

He isn't trolling (I hope), he looks more like a new guy who doesn't know what he is talking about.

It is obnoxious but that's all

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

You know even IF we used Kamiya's word for DMC 1, that doesn't however debunk the feats from the manga, DMC 2 and DMC 5 with Urizen IIRC

 

[Witchakorn]

shooting around Helicopter for long in DMC2 claim to be universe character logic haha (After he can defeat mundus).he should just point the finger to helicopter and low level demons and Bam!! They all gone in one second but he cant do that. In Manga Alice is too stupid and When dante lose to vergil in three he still never use that form in manga just awake himself only.so about 5 vergil is the final boss right? so that mean Sword fight Clashing is on Universe level fight? untill nero come in? Universe? What? it just 2 half demon fight each other u know.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Well obviously if the swords are being wielded by Universe Level characters and it can hurt other 3-A's then yes it's Universal.

But that's not absurd, look at Demonbane that shit has a sword capable of sealing Outerversal characters so having a Universal sword isn't that crazy

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

I'm not even going to bother with that. If you have a problem then make a CRT.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

You know even IF we used Kamiya's word for DMC 1, that doesn't however debunk the feats from the manga, DMC 2 and DMC 5 with Urizen IIRC

If we use Kamiya then we still have 3-A DMC…

 

[Dienomite22]

>Implying canonically had trouble with low level demons and the helicopter.

Even ignoring Universal DMC, DMC2 Dante isn't helicopter level.And in DMC volume 2 Novel (which takes place before 2) Dante treated helicopters like fodder and survive point blank explosions of a helicopter. I don't even know why I'm entertaining this argument because I know some meaningless stuff is going to be brought up as a response but whatever.

 

[Witchakorn]

Same demon helicopter in novel? if normal helicopter that it

 

[Dienomite22]

It was a demon helicopter

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

If we use Kamiya then we still have 3-A DMC…

I know, that was my point

 

[Witchakorn]

So helicopter in DMC2 is stronger than the novel version

 

[Dienomite22]

Make a CRT for the helicopter, apparently it caused Dante trouble despite all evidence and logic saying otherwise.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Stop derailing thia thread please, thank you.

@Dieno

We need to add fear hax for his pseudo/desesperado DT

 

[Dienomite22]

Stop derailing thia thread please, thank you.
@Dieno

We need to add fear hax for his pseudo/desesperado DT

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3528346

He should have fear hax in general or at least in DT naturally

 

[ShivaShakti]

Sigh...

@Witch

How old are you?

 

[SpookyShadow]

Bump

This thread is becoming a bit toxic so please don't reply to previous non-thread related things

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Anyways I vote for Dante

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

change my vote to pizza man.

 

[SpookyShadow]

That's 4 for Dante

 

[Lightning_XXI]

Dante FRA

Dante may be Universal but he doesn't have range do bust a whole Universe despite having the power to do so, not even close